XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.politics, talk.politics.misc
XPost: soc.rights.human
From: eat_me@yahoo.com

¡Jones <¡Jones@fubar.com> wrote in news:o3iesa1b4lu1c6fou2ifctsqo8k0vaeain@
4ax.com:

> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 22:26:19 -0400, in talk.politics.guns Mr. B1ack
> wrote:
>
>>>>>Americans are supposed to be free.
>>>>>
>>>>>Freedom is Happiness!
>>>>>
>>>>>Everyone in the world has a natural right to freedom!
>
> [...]
>
>>   Hmm ... so "freedom" and "justice" and
>>   such are "hate words" now ???   :-)
>>
>>   You must be a "liberal" ....
>
> I do not know who wrote the first installment; I came into the
> discussion somewhat late.
>
> "Americans are supposed to be free." (?)  I suppose.  In general, all
> people should be free to do that which it is not in an over-riding
> social interest to prevent them from doing; many things we do every
> day are simply none of the government's business.  I suppose I'd agree
> with it; however, it's understated in that the people born in the US
> and have never traveled tend to believe that this is the only free
> country.  In reality, we'd rate about the 50th percentile in terms of
> human rights and freedom *if* (and only if) we abolished capital
> punishment; it's bad when Mexico lectures us about human rights!
>
> "Freedom is Happiness!" (?)  I'm not sure what that means.
>
> "Everyone in the world has a natural right to freedom!" (?)  Disagree.
> Rights and freedoms are two related, however, completely different
> ideas.  A freedom may be licensed or restricted by age or immigration
> status; a right, on the other hand, is viewed as an intrinsic property
> of the human being.  A freedom may be "well regulated" or qualified
> somehow, it is possible for a freedom to be removed; a right (in
> theory) must be absolute and indelible.  (I say: "in theory" because
> very little holds absolutely; however, that's the ideal.)  Finally,
> freedoms will tend to vary widely depending upon where you happen to
> be.  The freedoms one would enjoy in an urban environment are quite
> different from those one would expect in rural Alberta, for example.
> A right, on the other hand, must be essentially universal in that it
> should be recognized and interpreted the same way everyplace including
> across political boundaries.
>
> Jones
>

Another epic failure of the American education system.

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