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   IB Joe to Matt Munson   
   Re: Shutdown   
   12 Oct 25 08:22:30   
   
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   On 11 Oct 2025, Matt Munson said the following...   
      
    MM>    
    MM> Filibuster protects the minority, but it should not be designed to   
    MM> perpetually delay stuff either.   
    MM>    
    MM> it should be 60 votes to pass instantly.   
    MM> maximum of 1 month delay.   
    MM> Then majority vote would be required after 30 days where the filibuster   
    MM> ends.   
    MM>    
      
      
   The US is a Republic and not a Democracy... ie Majority rule...   
      
   Constitution was not founded on Majority Rule... The added safeguards into the   
   process.  What I  mean buy this is that BECAUSE there was some opposition from   
   the minority, small states... things were added into the mix... Amendment   
   process, adding the Bill of Rights giving the people more power that the   
   Government... Please note the 10Th Amendment....   
      
   :Start   
   The amendment states:   
      
   "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor   
   prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to   
   the people."   
      
   This means that any power not specifically given to the federal government by   
   the Constitution is reserved for the states or the people.   
   :Stop   
      
   Founding fathers didn't want mob-rule politics... They wanted the Majority to   
   work with the Minority on issues because the minority have rights as well...   
      
   So they wanted things like 60 votes in the Senate... Even 2 Senators per State   
   regardless of its size... Just a few things.   
      
   Thomas Jefferson emphasized the importance of balancing majority   
   rule with minority protections in his first inaugural address:   
      
   Thomas Jefferson Said...   
      
   "The will of the majority must be reasonable; that the minority possess their   
   equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate would be   
   oppression."   
      
   So, the Founding Fathers didn't want Democracy, or a 30 Day delayed one as in   
   your example.   
      
   AND... If I read correctly  Someone said that the US should have be able to   
   have a Non-confidence vote like Majority Opposition(s) can do to Minority   
   Governments...     
      
   Like in Canada the current Liberal Government is a Minority Government... This   
   means ALL of the Opposition seats in the House add up to be more than   
   the seats held by the Liberal Party.   
      
   Ergo... The majority can call for an election... Most minority Governments in   
   Canada last only 18 months before that happens.     
      
   Some times Minority Governments are "Okay" because it forces the Minority to   
   adopt ideas for other factions because it needs the votes to pass legislation.   
      
   BTW, In Canada, like other countries, people do not vote for the Prime   
   Minister directly.  The party votes the leaders and you vote for the party.    
   So a Non-Confidence seems important.   
      
   In the US the citizens, and Illegals that vote illegally, vote for the   
   President DIRECTLY...   
      
   Today's Trump Administration...   
      
   Trump won the Electoral College, this is the way Presidents are chosen in the   
   US.   
      
   He also won the popular vote... Votes added up to be greater than 50%   
      
   He also won all  the swing states and holds the MAJORITY in the House and the   
   Senate...   
      
   Trump in not in a MINORITY Government where a Non-Confidence vote could be   
   called.   
      
   In the US we have Impeachment, Checks and Balances, and Elections.   
      
   Elections every 2 years and you can vote for Republicans to loose the House   
   and or the Senate... Coming in 2026.  Congress can stop him... and or The   
   Supreme court will stop him with anything that is Unconstitutional.   
      
   Finally Impeachment... U tried twice I say try a few more time.   
      
   That last segment may not have been you but I added it any way because I   
   wanted to comment on that.   
      
   So.... What does this mean in the current situation...   
      
   The Minority did not vote to extend the current budget by weeks/months so that   
   they, the Government, can debate and vote on next years budget.   
      
   The Minority Democrats want 1.5 TRILLION in spending and some of that is going   
   to be used for Illegal Migrants to receive Medicare/Medicaid, among other   
   things.   
      
   The Democrats want to force the Majority Government to take their way or the   
   highway ...    
      
   The Trump admin has offered an extension on the ObamaCare subsidies for a year   
   so as the Government can debate and vote on the Health Care system in the US.   
      
   Vote for the CR that you've voted on 18 times before and debate and vote on an   
   issue... What a concept!!!   
      
      
   There you go!!!!  If I have missed anything its because I need coffee...   
      
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