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   Message 24,914 of 26,388   
   Kirk Spragg to michael goodwind   
   Re: Your opinions on communism   
   08 Jun 24 17:06:25   
   
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    mg> Honestly the only way I envison sustainable capitalism or communism is if   
    mg> humans are taken out of the key positions of power.  A system of checks   
    mg> and balances to prevent humans in power from corrupting and subverting   
    mg> the systems for the benefit of few to the detriment of many would be the   
    mg> ideal but until we figure out how to roll that out at scale, advanced AI   
    mg> being in place to prevent corruption seems to be the only way these 2   
    mg> systems of government would sustainably work over long periods of time   
    mg> as intended.  Until the AI itself becomes corrupted I suppose   
      
   Sounds very much like what the author Ian M Banks envisioned as "The Culture"   
   in his Culture sci-fi series. Have you read any of his work? The Culture works   
   pretty much as you describe... and yes occasionally the AIs do get corrupted   
   or at least take actions that are somewhat unexpected.   
      
   Looking at our current attempts at AI, I'd be concerned that the AI didn't   
   start out corrupted/biased in the first place. I believe this is still   
   something of a problem. Ultimately AI is currently being made by humans and   
   thus it will end up affected by our biases and preconceptions. I have no idea   
   how to avoid that.    
      
    mg> Kirk - I would be curious to hear your thoughts about India vs China.    
    mg> And what you attribute most towards China being able to outpace India in   
    mg> lifting more people out of poverty faster, etc etc.   
      
   I believe this s a case of the first mover advantage. China started economic   
   reform earlier and opened up foreign investment & trade in way that worked   
   really well for them. This allowed China to effectively corner large segments   
   of manufacturing and also to learn/copy from the west. India I believe is   
   trying something similar but they really are arrive to the party a bit late.   
      
   I don't know much about India's mineral reserves, China though does have a lot   
   of the rare earth minerals required by a lot of modern tech & they are   
   exploiting this pretty well. I am not sure that India is as lucky.   
      
   Who knows what would have happened in an alternate timeline? One where India   
   wasn't torn apart by the parition that ended the Raj and didn't have it's   
   culture and economy so throughly scarred, might very well have resulted in an   
   India that became the world's manufacturing powerhouse instead of China. As it   
   is, the partition happened, it broke apart peoples, cultures and supply chains   
   and it left India with massive budget and trade deficits for quite some time &   
   that really has held India back.   
      
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