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    KS> ma> under capitalism there is severe exploitation   
    KS> ma> under socialism exploitation is non existant   
    KS> Again history shows that just isn't the case, at uni I met a number of   
    KS> Russian and east european academics all of whom had horror stories of how   
      
    KS> How do you envisage a new communist partly/state avoiding this?   
      
   Honestly the only way I envison sustainable capitalism or communism is if   
   humans are taken out of the key positions of power.  A system of checks and   
   balances to prevent humans in power from corrupting and subverting the systems   
   for the benefit of few to the detriment of many would be the ideal but until   
   we figure out how to roll that out at scale, advanced AI being in place to   
   prevent corruption seems to be the only way these 2 systems of government   
   would sustainably work over long periods of time as intended.  Until the AI   
   itself becomes corrupted I suppose   
      
   Outside of this though Kirk's point is valid, we don't need to hypothothize on   
   which system is superior(in the face of the above mentioned reality of humans   
   running the show), we have enough examples over the last couple hundred years   
   to show that capitalist or social capitalist models fare far far better in   
   regards to overall quality of life, economic success, innovation and   
   advancement and nearly every other metric that matters regarding human progress   
      
   Kirk - I would be curious to hear your thoughts about India vs China.  And   
   what you attribute most towards China being able to outpace India in lifting   
   more people out of poverty faster, etc etc.   
      
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