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   Hey Victoria though we'd best move that conversation about communism from FSX   
   to here.   
      
   ma> I am a Marxist-Leninist... aka communist/bolshevik/(derogaatory by ultra    
   ma>leftists and liberals) tankie   
   ma> I am a super strong avocate for 20th century Socialism   
   ma> which is worker's state, centrally planned economy, means of production   
   ma>seized    
   ma>by workers, and no markets   
      
   Though I'm definitely on the left, I'd have to say that history & the soviet   
   union's failure to keep up with the west illustrate that a centrally planned   
   economy just doesn't work well.   
      
   ma> under capitalism there is severe exploitation   
   ma> under socialism exploitation is non existant   
   ma> exploitation is where someone who dose not contribute to society live off   
   ma> the    
   ma> labor of others. aka the capitalist. they live off the labor because they   
   ma> own    
   ma> the factories etc. aka the means of production   
      
   Again history shows that just isn't the case, at uni I met a number of Russian   
   and east european academics all of whom had horror stories of how   
   just how exploitative Russia's socalist state was to its people.   
      
   Similarly I know several Chinese Ex-Pats who say similar things about the CCP   
   & how things are run in China.   
      
   How do you envisage a new communist partly/state avoiding this?   
      
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