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   On 07 Oct 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...   
    GD> Face work? More like face sanctions sometimes for three months for being   
    GD> non-compliant in their assigned work duties.   
      
   "face work requirements" was what I said, not "face work."   
      
    GD> Furthermore, TANFs work programs rarely move parents into jobs that lift   
    GD> their families out of poverty.    
      
   That is simply not true. Here is a report from 2022:   
   https://www.cbo.gov/publication/58199   
      
    GD> I went over it and explained clearly how Clinton's initiative is   
    GD> currently being skirted. Yet you want to cling onto the notion.. perhaps   
    GD> the reason why you were so persistent had something to do with your   
    GD> sarcastic tone? When you asked me if I was sleeping. This reads like you   
    GD> had NO idea that this was all undone by Obama. Naturally, you wouldn't   
    GD> know because you have no need for these kinds of social services.   
      
   I know because of my job, and I know that you are trying very hard to insert   
   two logical fallacies in this conversation:   
      
   1. Basing all public assistance on the specificities of a single one, such as   
   DSS or TANF, and   
   2. Overexaggerating the effect of the Obama-era introduction of work   
   requirement waivers for TANF.   
      
    GD> The fact that had to cutout the url and much of what I said proves that I   
    GD> was right. Most of us know that you and people like you never want to   
    GD> admit that you were wrong, specially by someone like me.   
      
   I did that for brevity, not because I didn't want anyone to read it. If   
   they're interested in it, they can go back to your previous post.   
      
   As for admitting one is wrong, you might consider it. The Obama   
   administration did not "gut" TANF work requirements, but allowed for waivers   
   in certain circumstances. In fact, the only reference to TANF waivers that I   
   can find are related to waiving a person's lifetime limit on the number of   
   months they can receive TANF benefits, not the work requirement. (Remember   
   that the "T" in "TANF" stands for "Temporary.")   
      
   There were apparently some changes to TANF work requirements in the Deficit   
   Reduction Act of 2005, but that would have been under Bush II, not Obama.   
      
   Jeff.   
      
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