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   -=> Lee Lofaso wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-   
      
    LL> Hello Dennis,   
      
    LL> [..]   
      
    >LL>"Trumpism is a fascistic enterprise. It stands apart from and is   
    >LL>antithetical to American values. Trumpism will not yield and retreat   
      
    LL> [..]   
      
    >LL>the promise of the country must be for everybody. Trump is inciting   
    >LL>Americans against each other in the name of expanding his power. It   
    >LL>isn't just cynical, it is evil."   
    >LL>~ Steve Schmidt, former Republican and proud of it, 9/3/2020   
    >   
    >LL>Seems like Republicans disagree with your POV, along with Democrats   
    >LL>and Independents. Gonna be a fun night on Tuesday, November 3.   
    >   
    >To be honest, I don't care what the Republican party thinks, and why you do   
    > is beyond me.   
      
    LL> Steve Schmidt is a former Republican, having left the party in 2018.   
    LL> He is the person who ran John McCain's campaign for president in 2008.   
    LL> Today he is an Independent, as many other Republicans have also left   
    LL> the party. I am not affiliated with any political party, and choose   
    LL> to remain so.   
      
   Well there you go, someone who thought McCain would be a good president!  Would   
   you in 10 years time, old highly the opinion of someone who ran Trumps   
   campaign?   
      
   He's changed his views maybe, I don't know.  I don't really care, its one   
   opinion and I don't know what his motives are.  If we are talking of a   
   politician here, the motives are likely self-serving.   
      
    >Up until 2016, when the Democratic party thought that Hillary would be a   
    > good president, I would have (if I was a US citizen) not wanted to vote   
    > Republican.   
      
    LL> Although some Democrats did vote for Trump in 2016, many of those   
    LL> same Democrats regret having done so. Will they vote for Biden? Or   
    LL> will they choose not to vote at all? That is the question.   
      
    LL> As for Republicans, their Republican Party no longer exists. Today   
    LL> it has become nothing more than a polite fiction. What Republicans are   
    LL> voting for is dictatorship under Trump & Co.   
      
   I agree it has changed dramatically.  I can't see the dictatorship though.  You   
   know, here in Melbourne, Australia, we are subject to curfews and the harshest   
   lockdown.  We don't have constitutional freedom of speech, or the same right to   
   bear arms.  People go on and on about this fascistic dictatorship, but I can't   
   see what rights and freedoms you have actually LOST.  What freedom has Trump   
   taken from you that you had under Obama?   
      
   The only thing I see is that you are less free to hold an opinion which   
   contradicts orthodoxy, but I don't see Trump destroying the lives of people who   
   hold these opinions, but others.  I see Big Tech censorship, companies firing   
   people, cancel culture, things which affect the population at large.  Please   
   enlightenment how Trump is limiting your movement speech or action?   
      
      
    >I'm not a US citizen, but I'm just saying, that if I was in the US, I   
    > couldn't have voted for the party of McCain or Romney, and I would have   
    > preferred to see them lose.   
      
    LL> You got your wish in 2008, when Barack Obama won.   
    LL> And again in 2012, when Barack Obama did it a second time.   
      
   I didn't wish for Obama to win, as I'm not a US citizen it doesn't affect me to   
   greatly.  Also, not wanting one candidate to win doesn't mean you wish the   
   other would.  If I was a voter, I would have preferred a candidate who is a   
   cross between Nader and Buchanan, perhaps more Nader than Buchanan.  But McCain   
   was in my mind unfit and dangerous.   
      
    >The Republican party doesn't represent the interests of working Americans,   
    > it hasn't for a long time.   
      
    LL> Republicans holding office represent the interests of Donald Trump,   
    LL> not the interests of the American people.   
      
   Both parties act in a self-serving manner.   
      
    >Pooh to them I say!   
      
    LL> And those who continue to support them.   
      
    >Must be desperate if we are referring to the opinions of Republican party   
    > hacks now.   
      
    LL> Steve Schmidt is not a Republican. After he left the party, he   
    LL> decided to have some fun, founding The Lincoln Project.   
      
    LL> Republican party hacks hate him for that. So does Donald Trump.   
      
    >What is Trumpism anyway?   
      
    LL> A death cult.   
      
   You guys are worked up over very little and seem to be overreacting.  He's   
   boorish, but not a disaster.  I keep in touch with a few people in the USA, and   
   none of them have noted any new fascistic laws or impositions from the   
   government.   
      
   I mean, seriously, you are posting here, under your REAL name, calling Trump a   
   leader of a death cult, a fascist, that he needs to go, and are free to do so   
   without consequence.  AS IS EVERYONE ELSE.  If you really WERE living under a   
   fascist regime, you would dissapear, or suddenly find yourself imposed upon, or   
   be threatened, or your family threatened, or as happened in Communist Russia,   
   if you were lucky, only moved to a crapper job or lost your residence.  None of   
   that is happening.  It is ONLY the Cancel Culture mob doing that.  For that   
   reason, I call BS on your claim.   
      
   Get a grip.   
      
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