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     Re: Republicans & Trump   
     By: Lee Lofaso to Kostie Muirhead on Mon Aug 31 2020 04:52 pm   
      
    LL> Guns are not a "force equalizer", but a weapon of terror.   
    LL> There are more public mass shootings in the USA than in any other   
    LL> country in the world.   
   Do you care about shootings, or killings? They lead in civilian involved   
   shootings, but barely register in terms of overall violent crime or mass   
   killings as a whole.   
      
    LL> About 66% of US gun owners own multiple guns.   
   And? Completely irrelevant to anything. That's equivalent to changing a   
   discussion about driving age to how many cars are in a household. Data being   
   related does not make it relevant.   
      
    LL> Guns are manufactured to kill people. Usually people who want   
    LL> to kill themselves, rather than others.   
    LL> Of course, only one gun is all that is really needed to off oneself.   
    LL> Along with one bullet.   
    LL> Personally, I like the Japanese way. No gun, or bullet, required.   
   Ok, if you're seriously comparing the morality of different ways to off   
   oneself I really have to wonder about your thought process.   
      
    LL> If someone is intent on killing himself, he is going to find a way   
    LL> to do it. Even if it kills him. Same if someone is intent on killing   
    LL> someone else. But most kill themselves before they kill someone else.   
   Umm, Ok. That's kind of exactly what my point is - the implement is the last   
   thing you should be looking at if you actually want to affect change. Changing   
   access to implements without addressing root causes doesn't actually change   
   anything.   
      
    LL> Kind of hard to do a mass shooting with a knife. Columbine would   
   Mass *shooting* yes, mass *killing* no. There's mass stabbing and killings   
   with other bladed weapons ALL THE DAMN TIME in the world. We've fairly   
   recently seen a mass murder rivaling any shooting conducted with nothing more   
   than a rental truck.   
      
   If you don't like guns, that's fine. But arguing that somehow changing the   
   second amendment in the US is going to stop all the issues with violence is   
   *at best* just a waste of energy that's far better spent nearly anywhere else.   
   There's major cultural, socio-economic, media, political, and mental health   
   access issues that do *actually* need attention and would *actually* pay   
   dividends. Gun control is at best just safety theatre in the same vein as the   
   overly intrusive TSA nonsense one has to deal with if travelling in the US. Do   
   you think that preventing a 90 year old woman from carrying too much shampoo   
   onto a plane actually does anything to prevent someone crashing it into a   
   building?   
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