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   Hello Dennis,   
      
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   >>>To suggest that healthcare should be available to anyone on the planet who   
   >>> wants to walk in?   
   >   
   >LL>Why not? Nobody deserves to die. Even those on life row. So why   
   >LL>should those who cross our borders be denied access to quality LL>health   
   > care? There simply is no reason. Not any good reason.   
   >   
   >Yes there is.  Capability to pay for it.   
      
   Folks in prison cannot afford to pay for any kind of health care.   
   Should they be left to rot in prison, and left to die? Why keep those   
   on death row alive, if they are to be murdered in our name? Certainly   
   that makes no sense. No sense at all. What about the poor, who have   
   done nothing wrong except not having been born with a silver spoon   
   in their mouth? What about children, who are too young to even have   
   a job? Your argument of "capability to pay for it" makes absolutely   
   no sense. None whatsoever. Society has a duty and an obligation to   
   care for the needs of all. Including those who are scum of the earth.   
      
   >In Australia, we have an ocean barrier, but in Europe they saw a million   
   > people in a year walk in.   
      
   There certainly seems to be a lot of Asians making Australia their   
   new home ...   
      
   >If Europe were to offer freebies (more than they do), millions more would   
   > walk in.   
      
   Many millions, mostly Muslims, have literally been walking into Europe.   
      
   >It would be the end of Europe as we know it, and countries like Greece,   
   > which struggle to support their own, would be overwhelmed.   
      
   Turks love Germany. Not so much Greece, as they tend not to get   
   along so well. Other Muslims prefer France. Or England. Or Sweden.   
   Or Italy. Or other places where life is good.   
      
   >Economic reality isn't just about being greedy, it is a hard, physical limit   
   > on what you can do.  It's not workable, and if other countries have poor   
   > healthcare systems, they should work on improving them.   
      
   The population of Europe is getting older. So is the population   
   of Australia. As well as the population of the USA. However, there   
   is one segment of the population in each of those areas where it   
   is getting younger. So much so that the population of that group is   
   actually increasing, rather than decreasing. Not due to immigration,   
   but baby-making. Do you know what group that is? Muslims.   
      
   Even Russia is having problems with a decreasing population.   
   So much so that Russia is paying couples to make babies. Problem   
   is, most of those couples are Muslim. No Christians wanting or   
   willing to go that route.   
      
   For the first time in decades, the USA has a population in decline.   
   Its population had been increasing due to immigration for years, but   
   no more, thanks to the Trump administration's anti-Muslim policies.   
      
   How are you going to convince Christians in Australia to make more   
   babies? Can it even be done? Not really sure how many of those Asians   
   are Christian. Probably not a whole lot. But then, China does not   
   have a lot of Christians, either.   
      
   >>LL>Access to quality health care is the first of all human rights.   
   >>LL>Otherwise, one might as well be dead. And I do not believe you are   
   >>LL>wishing yourself dead.   
   >>   
   >>We will see what the election results are.   
   >   
   >LL>Will we? Donald Trump is already claiming the vote will be rigged,   
   >LL>and that he will refuse to acknowledge absentee votes (including mail   
   >LL>in ballots, which are absentee votes) cast as being legitimate.   
   >   
   >>I don't believe that anyone should be able to walk into my country, and   
   >>demand that I pay for their healthcare.   
   >   
   >LL>When a tourist from another country is visiting here and breaks   
   >LL>a leg (or whatever medical issue it may be), that tourist receives   
   >LL>all the health care he/she needs. And yet you would deny such health   
   >LL>care to those who travel here? Why? Other countries help Americans   
   >LL>who travel there, providing health care services. Go to England,   
   >LL>break a leg. The Brits will fix you up. Go to France, have a grand   
   >LL>mal seizure. The French will take very good care of you. Same in   
   >LL>Germany, and in other places.   
   >   
   >LL>We should treat ourselves the same way other countries treat us.   
   >   
   >LL>Yes, my friend. Everything ought to be free. I wasn't kidding   
   >LL>the first time I said that. And I am not kidding now.   
   >   
   >LL>The first of all human rights is access to quality health care.   
   >LL>From the moment of conception to natural death.   
   >   
   >Tourist is one thing, thousands of illegal immigrants is another.   
      
   Dreamers have access to quality health care in this country.   
   Why not everybody else?   
      
   >I'm not worried if my country takes care of tourists who get hurt.   
      
   My country should take care of everyone who gets hurt. Not just   
   its own citizens, but all who are here. Regardless of how they got   
   here, or why.   
      
   >I AM worried if people come here deliberately to use resources they didn't   
   > contribute to, and in turn, impoverish me and my family for their gain.   
   > That is not fair.   
      
   The economy is for the person, not the other way around. That is   
   why everything ought to be free. Not just for me, but for everyone.   
   Just think how much better off we would all be if everybody had   
   everything they could ever want. Without ever having to pay a dime.   
      
   >>I am OK with providing assistance to my fellow citizens and compatriots,   
   >> but the world?   
      
   Sure, why not? It's the only one we've got. Might as well share   
   it with everybody else, rather than hog it all for our own selfish   
   reasons.   
      
   >LL>Where did I limit my statement to Americans? I really do believe   
   >LL>I was quite clear in what I wrote.   
   >   
   >>I can't afford that, and I will not be held ransom by the state to cover   
   >> that bill.   
   >   
   >LL>Yes we can. And we will. I am sure you will love it.   
   >   
   >No, I won't.  I don't live Leftist policies, and I don't like their end   
   > result.  I've seen the result of the policies in Europe first hand, no   
   > thank you.  I will vote against it.   
      
   Fortunately, those with progressive mindsets correct the mistakes   
   of those with regressive mindsets, and all is well once done. Until   
   those with regressive mindsets fool those with progressive mindsets   
   to believe they have learned their lesson. But that never lasts   
   long, as progressives soon learn regressives are not who they claim   
   to be, and the process starts all over again.   
      
   --Lee   
      
   --    
   Hands too small! Can't build a wall!   
   --- MesNews/1.08.05.00-gb   
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