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   -=> Lee Lofaso wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-   
      
    LL> Hello Dennis,   
      
    LL> [..]   
      
    >>LL>One pollster (Rachel "The Doc" Bitecofer) has Biden's chances of   
    >>LL>winning the electoral college at 92%. If Trump were to drop Pence   
    >>LL>in favor of Carlson, she would change her odds to 100%.   
    >>   
    >>Adonbilivit.   
    >   
    >LL>She picks `em as she sees `em.   
    >   
    >>Again, I heard this in 2016.  I heard these insane odds then.   
    >   
    >LL>They call her "The Doc" for a reason.   
    >   
    >>I don't know if its delusion or lies to try and demotivate Republican   
    >>supports.  But if you don't want Trump to win, I would recommend that   
    >>Democrats start to address some of the issues the Trump does, and reign in   
    >>the far-left, make a stance against Corporatism, and work for Americans   
    >>instead, and put their interests ahead of illegals and virtue signalling.   
    >   
    >LL>It is not about who one might want to win, but rather what the   
    >LL>numbers are showing. And right now, the numbers are clearly showing   
    >LL>Trump as being the loser. It is not even close. He is so far behind   
    >LL>at this point that he actually wants to postpone the election so   
    >LL>some future unspecified date. That is what you call truly delusional.   
    >   
    >>But from what I see, some of these policies are insane.   
      
    LL> The death penalty should be abolished. It would be a blessing if   
    LL> the next administration would do away with federal executions, setting   
    LL> an example for state governments to do the same. The current Trump   
    LL> administration is so sick it is using a drug used by veterinarians to   
    LL> put down animals in order to murder federal inmates.   
      
    >LL>Most of the Trump administration's policies are insane, if not   
    >LL>downright unconstitutional.   
    >   
    >>To suggest that healthcare should be available to anyone on the planet who   
    >> wants to walk in?   
      
    LL> Why not? Nobody deserves to die. Even those on life row. So why   
    LL> should those who cross our borders be denied access to quality health   
    LL> care? There simply is no reason. Not any good reason.   
      
   Yes there is.  Capability to pay for it.  In Australia, we have an ocean   
   barrier, but in Europe they saw a million people in a year walk in.  If Europe   
   were to offer freebies (more than they do), millions more would walk in.  It   
   would be the end of Europe as we know it, and countries like Greece, which   
   struggle to support their own, would be overwhelmed.   
      
   Economic reality isn't just about being greedy, it is a hard, physical limit on   
   what you can do.  It's not workable, and if other countries have poor   
   healthcare systems, they should work on improving them.   
      
      
    >LL>Access to quality health care is the first of all human rights.   
    >LL>Otherwise, one might as well be dead. And I do not believe you are   
    >LL>wishing yourself dead.   
    >   
    >We will see what the election results are.   
      
    LL> Will we? Donald Trump is already claiming the vote will be rigged,   
    LL> and that he will refuse to acknowledge absentee votes (including mail   
    LL> in ballots, which are absentee votes) cast as being legitimate.   
      
    >I don't believe that anyone should be able to walk into my country, and   
    > demand that I pay for their healthcare.   
      
    LL> When a tourist from another country is visiting here and breaks   
    LL> a leg (or whatever medical issue it may be), that tourist receives   
    LL> all the health care he/she needs. And yet you would deny such health   
    LL> care to those who travel here? Why? Other countries help Americans   
    LL> who travel there, providing health care services. Go to England,   
    LL> break a leg. The Brits will fix you up. Go to France, have a grand   
    LL> mal seizure. The French will take very good care of you. Same in   
    LL> Germany, and in other places.   
      
    LL> We should treat ourselves the same way other countries treat us.   
      
    LL> Yes, my friend. Everything ought to be free. I wasn't kidding   
    LL> the first time I said that. And I am not kidding now.   
      
    LL> The first of all human rights is access to quality health care.   
    LL> From the moment of conception to natural death.   
      
   Tourist is one thing, thousands of illegal immigrants is another.  I'm not   
   worried if my country takes care of tourists who get hurt.  I AM worried if   
   people come here deliberately to use resources they didn't contribute to, and   
   in turn, impoverish me and my family for their gain.  That is not fair.   
      
    >I am OK with providing assistance to my fellow citizens and compatriots, but   
    > the world?   
      
    LL> Where did I limit my statement to Americans? I really do believe   
    LL> I was quite clear in what I wrote.   
      
    >I can't afford that, and I will not be held ransom by the state to cover   
    > that bill.   
      
    LL> Yes we can. And we will. I am sure you will love it.   
      
   No, I won't.  I don't live Leftist policies, and I don't like their end result.   
    I've seen the result of the policies in Europe first hand, no thank you.  I   
   will vote against it.   
      
      
   ... Dennis Katsonis   
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