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   On 24 Jul 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...   
       
    DS> White parents do not see the need to tell their white children "keep   
    DS> your hands on the steering wheel so that you do not get shot".  White   
    DS> parents do not see the need to tell their white children "don't make any   
    DS> sudden movements or you might get shot".  White parents do not see the   
    DS> need to tell their white children "don't question why you were stopped   
    DS> or you might get shot". and so forth, the list goes on.   
      
   If what you say is true about White parents not having "the talk"   
   maybe it is because of they have the expectation that respect will displayed   
   and maintained throughout the traffic stop of their young adult.    
   These young White drivers may still get a ticket for speeding or for another   
   traffic infraction, but they know how to act or more importantly not how to   
   act. As these White young adults will not be combative with a Police Officer,   
   for they know that the place for a disagreement is a court room and not the   
   side of the road.   
      
   If people get arrested or shot at a traffic stop, it's their own dam fault.    
      
    DS>  DS> That is simply not true.  The budgets of predominately black schools   
    DS>  DS> have been less than those of predominately white schools.  Hence, not   
    DS>  DS> equal.   
    DS>    
    DS>  GD> Your facts are lefty fictions, you ever hear of opportunity zones, wh   
    DS>  GD> don't you read up on what the President is doing for Urban kids in   
    DS>  GD> schools.  You might even learn something.    
    DS>     
    DS> Since his Secretary of Education has no knowledge nor connection in her   
    DS> life with public schools, I would doubt that she has made any attempt to   
    DS> equalize the disparity.  Please show me how that is not true.   
      
   I shouldn't because you still will not agree.   
   I will indulge you and get you the proof that you have asked for.   
      
    DS>  GD> No one is chasing them out of town with guns aimed - that would   
    DS>  GD> illegal and punishable by law.   
    DS>    
    DS>  DS> Tell that to Treyvon Martin or Ahmaud Arbrey.  Oh -- you can't do tha   
    DS>  DS> because they were chased with guns aimed and were killed.   
    DS>    
    DS>  GD> We all know the Treyvon Martin Story, and that is no one to put on a   
    DS>  GD> pedestal. He was a thug, and also a kid who Obama once said could of   
    DS>  GD> been my son.    
    DS>    
    DS> Your point is what?  Any want-a-be cop / vigilant has the right to gun   
    DS> down anyone he believes to be a thug who does not belong in his   
    DS> neighborhood?  Surely you jest.   
      
   Trayvon was not gunned down in cold blood as you have suggested, as it turned   
   out he was up to no good, he died because he tried to take the gun from   
   Zimmerman.    
      
   By the way here is the story from The New York Times about the matter....   
      
   MIAMI -   
   The Justice Department on Tuesday closed its investigation into the shooting   
   death three years ago of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black teenager in a hoodie   
   who became a symbol of racial profiling and the face of a protest movement,   
   without filing hate-crime charges against the gunman, George Zimmerman.   
      
   The department began its civil rights investigation shortly after a national   
   furor erupted over Mr. Martin's death in Sanford, Fla., which set off   
   protests, demands for justice and an emotional response from President Obama.   
   The shooting was the first in a string of racially tinged cases involving the   
   deaths of young black men that have prompted a rethinking of the nation's   
   criminal justice system.   
      
   Mr. Zimmerman was acquitted of second-degree murder in a state court in 2013;   
   some jurors said they believed that he had shot Mr. Martin, 17, in   
   self-defense.   
      
   The conclusion of the investigation came as Attorney General Eric H. Holder   
   Jr. neared the end of his tenure. The shooting was one of several racially   
   fraught cases that Mr. Holder said the department would finish investigating   
   before he stepped down. The Justice Department is also conducting two civil   
   rights investigations into the shooting death of Michael Brown, another   
   unarmed black teenager, who was killed by a white police officer in Ferguson,   
   Mo., in August. In that case, violent protests erupted after the shooting. A   
   grand jury declined to indict the officer.   
      
   Other police-involved deaths, including the choking of an unarmed man in   
   Staten Island and the shooting of a Cleveland boy holding a realistic,   
   airsoft-style gun, have fueled concerns about police conduct and racial   
   profiling.   
      
   The lawyer for Mr. Martin's family, Benjamin L. Crump, said the parents,   
   Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin, were badly shaken by the news that the   
   federal government would not bring charges. The family met with Justice   
   Department officials in Miami on Tuesday. "This is very painful for them;   
   they are heartbroken," Mr. Crump said. "But they have renewed energy to say   
   that we are going to fight harder to make sure that this doesn't happen to   
   anybody else's child."    
   ...   
      
   Naturally the attorney was Benjamin L. Crump this guy is a dirt-bag always   
   spouting off with his mouth hollering about justice but never acknowledging   
   the wrong doing of his client.    
   He is always so pleased to take their money and to sound off about justice   
   with many words so much so he turns it into a national media circus.   
      
    DS>  GD> I do not think you have the same understanding with the facts in the   
    DS>  GD> Michael Brown case or what the events that led to Mr. Browns death.    
    DS>  GD> You apparently were   
    DS>  GD> sleeping when when it once announced the Michael Brown reached into   
    DS>  GD> the Police car and tried to take the gun from the Police Officer and   
    DS>    
    DS> A report that is / was in dispute.  The other version is that the   
    DS> officer grabbed Brown by the neck and then shot at him.  After which   
    DS> Brown tried to run away.   
      
   Micheal Brown was man of colossal size compared to the cop who shot him.    
   The cop would not have the ability to slam Micheal Brown to the on the ground   
   by his neck or by any other human appendage.    
   The cop was from Planet Earth and was NOT from the planet Krypton.   
      
      
    DS>  GD> declaration made from the President with Law and Order and the   
    DS>    
    DS>  DS> Right -- send in the storm troopers to grab people off the street and   
    DS>  DS> wisk them away in unmarked vehicles, all with no probable cause or   
    DS>  DS> justification.  That is Trump's idea of law and order.   
    DS>    
    DS>  GD> Probable Cause ? Are you serious these cities look like a warzone and   
    DS>  GD> getting worse by the hour.  Storm Troopers - Yet another Nazi   
    DS>  GD> Reference?  You're as bad as Pelosi that's what she said I do believe   
    DS>    
    DS> I used the appropriate expression.  Have you not watched any of the   
    DS> videos showing them rushing up to a man standing quietly and grabbing   
    DS> him and shoveing him into an unmarked car?  Or the video showing them   
    DS> using baton sticks to attack a man standing with his hands up?  What   
    DS> else would you call such tactics.  They are deliberately inflaming the   
    DS> protestors.   
      
   Again a protester is not going to be standing there with his/her hands up   
   and they certainly wouldn't be hit by a baton, if they obeyed Police   
   direction.  Nor would they be rushed up upon and shoved into a unmarked car.   
   For you to suggest this is how it happened is absurd.   
      
      
    DS>  GD> These are Democratic Mayors & Governors who have lost control of thei   
    DS>  GD> cities. Do you deny that? - or do like chaos?    
      
    DS> It is their city, and it is their responsibility.  They were working   
    DS> with the protestors.  One of them was tear gassed in another attack on   
    DS> peaceful protestors.  Those milita do not belong there poring gasoline   
    DS> on the embers.   
      
   The leadership was working with the protesters, right....? What ?     
   The really suck at their jobs then. As the protesters continue to despoil the   
   city.    
   Still Why? You seem to understand these people...    
   Tell me why they are causing all this Havoc and Chaos?    
      
   The mayor who has be-friended protesters    
   (as in joining or walking with the protesters)   
   also found out really quick as the crowd turned on him as they started to chant   
   "Quit your Job!"   
      
   Regardless these cities have lost control in their cities, and those cities    
   and the Federal property within those cities come under the jurisdiction of   
   the Federal Government.    
      
   Maybe you did not hear about the protesters who tried to burn down a Federal   
   Courthouse with Federal workers still inside the building.    
      
   Even within the Constitution the President has the authority to quell civil   
   unrest.    
      
   "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union,   
   establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common   
   defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to   
   ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for   
   the United States of America."   
      
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