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   On 23 Jul 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...   
       
    DS>  GD> Your painting with a rather large brush in a attempt to prove your   
    DS>  GD> point.  but there are things that are simply no longer the case which   
    DS>  GD> dulls the point that you are trying to make here.    
    DS>    
    DS> Actually, I made a very narrow painting showing only a few examples that   
    DS> came to mind.  Those who have lived the black life in America could make   
    DS> a listing that goes on for hundreds of lines.   
      
   Yeah tell that to the Family's in Chicago were the strictest gun laws in the   
   county and yet they have dead  kids who were killed inside of their homes.   
      
    DS> How many white parents have felt the need to have "the talk" with their   
    DS> children about how to act if stopped by the police?  How many black   
    DS> parents have *NOT* felt that need.   
      
   What do you think that conversation is Dale among white families to their   
   young adults?    
   Be Respectful perhaps...?   
   Maybe if the Black Families had the same conversation with their young adults   
   maybe that would break the cycle, what do you think?   
      
    DS>  GD> These people are subject to watch them closely because of previous   
    DS>  GD> events.  Being Vigilant is not Prejudice.   
    DS>    
    DS> The very fact that you make such a statement is based on predjudice.   
    DS> You are making a judgement about a single person based on some   
    DS> experience with someone else "like them".   
      
   Wrong, taking action and being Vigilant are two separate things.     
      
    DS>    
    DS>  GD> Blacks have been equal in schools since the civil rights act has been   
    DS>  GD> passed.   
    DS>    
    DS> That is simply not true.  The budgets of predominately black schools   
    DS> have been less than those of predominately white schools.  Hence, not   
    DS> equal.   
      
   Your facts are lefty fictions, you ever hear of opportunity zones, why don't   
   you read up on what the President is doing for Urban kids in schools.    
   You might even learn something.    
      
    DS>  GD> No one is chasing them out of town with guns aimed - that would   
    DS>  GD> illegal and punishable by law.   
    DS>    
    DS> Tell that to Treyvon Martin or Ahmaud Arbrey.  Oh -- you can't do that   
    DS> because they were chased with guns aimed and were killed.   
      
   We all know the Treyvon Martin Story, and that is no one to put on a pedestal.   
   He was a thug, and also a kid who Obama once said could of been my son.   
      
    DS>  DS>  GD> I do understand where there would be a   
    DS>  GD> fear of a sole women in elevator gripping her purse more securely -so   
    DS>  GD> what. Just because she feels slightly insecure or may just feel   
    DS>  GD> frightened, means nothing in it self.  This is not a crime and it   
    DS>  GD> shouldn't provide the spark or trigger or create the outrage that   
    DS>  GD> destroys cities across the United States.    
    DS>    
    DS> The fact that it happens when sharing an elevator with a black man and   
    DS> not with a white man is evidence of the systemic racism that colors   
    DS> people's attitudes, albeit subconsciously.   
      
   So what? That is the spark that creates enough outrage to justify the chaos?   
      
    DS>  DS> Within my lifetime, I can recall going into a restaurant for lunch an   
    DS>  DS> observing a black couple who had to go to the back door and get food    
    DS>  DS> eat in their car.  I can recall that my schools had no black students   
    DS>  DS> I can recall observing black analysts being denied promotion for no g   
    DS>  DS> reason, even though they were as qualified as others.  I can recall w   
    DS>  DS> it was against the law for a white and a black to get married.  Most    
    DS>  DS> these things are no longer true, but the stain and stigma remains.   
    DS>    
    DS>  GD> I am not denying that any of those things have happened, but as you   
    DS>  GD> recall these memories from the past,   
    DS>    
    DS> Some of which are not from a distant past.  The fact that they ever   
    DS> happened has contributed to the national predjudice.   
      
   This is 2020 not 1950.    
      
    DS>  GD> Did you know every back man who was shot and killed by a police   
    DS>  GD> officer from Michael Brown to George Floyd would still be alive today   
    DS>  GD> if they did not resist arrest?   
    DS>    
    DS> That is not true.  Michael Brown was not armed and did not form a threat   
    DS> to police.    
      
   I do not think you have the same understanding with the facts in the Michael   
   Brown case or what the events that led to Mr. Browns death. You apparently were   
   sleeping when when it once announced the Michael Brown reached into the Police   
   car and tried to take the gun from the Police Officer and also how Micheal   
   Brown did not obey Police instruction and charged toward the Police Officer.   
   This is why the man died.  This is happens to a Stupid Fuck. He dies.    
      
    DS>  GD> You know what this is all about it is in direct defiance of   
    DS>  GD> declaration made from the President with Law and Order and the   
    DS>  GD> authority that it represents.  These people suggest "Too many Rules"   
    DS>  GD> and therefore no  respect for Law & Order"   
    DS>  GD> They are kidding themselves if they think they will be successful   
    DS>  GD> against the Full power of the U.S. Government.   
    DS>    
    DS> Right -- send in the storm troopers to grab people off the street and   
    DS> wisk them away in unmarked vehicles, all with no probable cause or   
    DS> justification.  That is Trump's idea of law and order.   
      
   Probable Cause ? Are you serious these cities look like a warzone and getting   
   worse by the hour.  Storm Troopers - Yet another Nazi Reference?    
   You're as bad as Pelosi that's what she said I do believe.    
      
   These are Democratic Mayors & Governors who have lost control of their cities.   
   Do you deny that? - or do like chaos?    
      
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