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   On 10 Jun 2020 at 08:16p, Lee Lofaso pondered and said...   
       
    LL> >You don't know that he loves your dear president.   
    LL>    
    LL> He was there, giving Trump all his love and full support.   
      
   As are you!  Just admit that you're a Trump supporter.   
      
    LL> >Why? Because you're such a big Trump supporter   
    LL> >you want everyone to know how you feel about him?   
    LL>    
    LL> To remind you the oath of office requires the president to defend   
    LL> the Constitution of the United States.   
      
   So you don't refute that you're a Trump supporter.   
   Got it.   
      
    LL> >LL>I also quoted the text of the oath of enlistment for those   
    LL> >LL>who serve in the military. All the oaths call to defend the   
    LL> >LL>Constitution of the United States.   
    LL>    
    LL> >Military officers aren't enlisted.  You're so ignorant   
    LL> >you don't even know when you're wrong to accept correction.   
      
   You stated that officers are enlisted and swear the   
   oath of enlistment.  They aren't and don't.  I thought   
   that you Trumpers were really big on humping the   
   military's leg?  As a Good Little Right-Winger, shouldn't   
   you know that?   
      
    LL> >LL>Where do you get the bizarre idea that the military is there   
    LL> >LL>to defend the president? Please tell. I'm all ears.   
    LL> >   
    LL> >I'm not sure why you would ask that, since I never said   
    LL> >it was?   
    LL>    
    LL> Milley chose to defend the president, rather than the Constution   
    LL> of the United States. IOW, he violated the very oath he took as an   
    LL> officer. Meaning he is not an honorable man, or a gentleman.   
      
   No no no.  You made a specific statement, that _I_   
   believe that the military is here to defend the president.   
   Don't try to deflect.   
      
    LL> >Apparently, the DC police and your hero Trump.   
    LL>    
    LL> Which brings us back to the original question I asked at   
    LL> the beginning of this thread -   
    LL>    
    LL> "Do you intend to obey illegal orders from the President?"   
      
   And I answered that unequivocally: No.  I am not, nor   
   was I ever, under any obligation to follow any illegal   
   order, no matter who issued it; I would not do so.  You   
   evidently know me better than I do, though, and disagree   
   with me on what I would do and what I have seen other   
   military officers do.   
      
   But you've also admitted to being a Trump supporter, so   
   this is unsurprising.  Do you support his little concentration   
   camps for kids, or cracking down on protesters?   
      
    LL> Given that you are retired military, and no longer active, it is   
      
   I am not retired, as I told you.  That's a very specific   
   status; I served and left the service prior to retirement.   
   I am honorably discharged.   
      
    LL> a question you can easily dodge by claiming you are too old or some   
    LL> other chickenshit excuse.   
      
   I don't see how I need to "dodge" the question since I   
   answered it clearly and unequivocally.  Perhaps you didn't   
   understand the answer, or it didn't fit with your   
   preconceptions, and so you are having a hard time either   
   understanding or accepting it?   
      
    LL> However, the military man who originally   
    LL> asked the question answered it himself by his own actions - by   
    LL> joining the president as troops opened fire on peaceful protesters   
    LL> who lawfully did their thing on holy ground.   
      
   Except he actually wasn't there for the clearing of Lafayette   
   park.  Knowing that you support Trump, I understand that you   
   have a hard time with facts and nuance.   
      
    LL> >Oh, and I never said I was retired.  I am discharged.   
    LL>    
    LL> So was Jack Nicholson, with a bit of help from Tom Cruise.   
    LL> Please. Tell us how you did it. Was your road trip every bit   
    LL> as fun as the one Jack took?   
      
   Uh...you join, you serve, and you get out.  If you never do   
   anything illegal or immoral while in, you likely get an   
   honorable discharge; possibly a medical, which is technically   
   a general discharge, though under honorable circumstances.   
      
   It's really not that hard, though it probably doesn't mesh   
   with your biases, which may be why you have such a hard time   
   understanding it.  That may also have something to do with   
   your love for your president and Dear Leader, Donald Trump.   
      
    LL> Hey. What do you expect? I'm a civvie. Just like Trump!   
    LL> Born to be wild ...   
      
   You even revel in being like him!  Amazing.   
      
    LL> >No no no.  You said that _I_ was thought that what   
    LL> >happened to those protesters was deserved.  Don't   
    LL> >deflect; tell me where _I_ said that.  Be specific.   
    LL>    
    LL> All of the protesters were peaceful, lawfully protesting   
    LL> what they viewed as a wrong. It was others who had infiltrated   
    LL> their ranks who were causing trouble, as they had no interest   
    LL> in actually protesting a thing.   
      
   No no no.  You're trying to change the subject again.   
   You said that _I_ said those protesters deserved what   
   happened to them.  Tell me exactly where I said that.   
   Exactly.  Go ahead; I'll wait.   
      
    LL> You see, trouble is where you find it. And those troublemakers   
    LL> knew exactly where to go in order to find the kind of trouble they   
    LL> could make.   
    LL>    
    LL> Most, if not all, of the troublemakers were right-wing radicals.   
      
   Your kinda people, huh?  You want to see people in cages.   
   You want to see the police beat people on the street.  You   
   want to see a Trump dictatorship.   
      
    LL> What we have, in effect, is a president gone mad. A president who   
    LL> wants to make war on peaceful protesters, who have a Constitutional   
    LL> right to protest.   
      
   So why are you such a booster of his?   
      
    LL> There are pictures on social media verifying this for anybody   
    LL> who bothers taking a look.   
      
   https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2020/06/08/timeline-trump-church-   
   photo-op/   
      
    LL> >You're just peachy about the death of 100,000 Americans?   
    LL>    
    LL> We cure ourselves by dying faster. That is the new plan.   
    LL> If one can call it that.   
      
   I can see you're perfectly fine with Trump's handling of   
   the pandemic.   
      
    LL> Why are more African Americans dying, and at a faster rate, than   
    LL> other groups? Because they are the ones who keep us fed, and keep   
    LL> us clothed, and keep us housed.   
      
   So you're fine with keeping black people oppressed as long   
   as you are kept in clothing, housing and fed?  That's basically   
   what you're saying.   
      
    LL> >Meanwhile, you fully support your president.   
    LL>    
    LL> What kind of oath did you take?   
      
   We're not talking about me; we're talking about you   
   and your support for Trump.   
      
    LL> >Maybe you and Ammon Bundy should get together and go   
    LL> >bowling.  Then you can hit up a Trump rally together.   
    LL>    
    LL> Why do you hate the Constitution of the United States?   
    LL> It is a beautiful document, written on parchment, although   
    LL> the ink is brown and kinda fading ...   
      
   It's not me that hates it; it's you.  You and your   
   fellow Trump supporters, who align yourselves with   
   those who pervert it and its meaning to retain your   
   hold on power.  It's really sad.   
      
    LL> I support the will of the people. Whatever that happens to be.   
      
   So you're ok with the right-wing putting kids in   
   concentration camps.  With Trump destroying the planet   
   and the presidency.  With murder of black and brown   
   bodies in the name of "law and order". With over a   
   hundred thousand of your fellow Americans dying.   
      
   Wow.   
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