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   On 08 Jun 2020 at 03:16p, Lee Lofaso pondered and said...   
       
    LL> >You're just a sanctimonious douche.  Trump   
    LL> >asked for 10,000 active duty troops and got   
    LL> >shouted down by Milley.   
    LL>    
    LL> General Milley took an oath to defend the Constitution   
    LL> of the United States, yet refused to do so, as shown by   
    LL> his actions.   
      
   Trump might have told Milley, "Take a walk with me."   
   That, in itself, was not an illegal order.  What should   
   be have done differently?   
      
   That doesn't mean that Milley sanctioned using police   
   to clear out that park.  That doesn't mean Milley supported   
   sending in active duty troops, as we know he didn't.  Milley   
   has to walk a fine line of reigning in Trump and keeping   
   politics out of the military.   
      
   Get off your high horse.  You make assumptions   
   about things you don't know and act like others   
   who don't make those same assumptions are complicit   
   with your imagined wrong-doings.   
      
    LL> General Mark Milley, decked out in combat fatigues, marched   
    LL> lock-step with Donald Trump to the church as orders were given   
    LL> for National Guard to open fire on peaceful protesters (mostly   
    LL> women and children, along with clergy). Did Donald Trump fire   
    LL> General Milley after he wrote a memo and said a few words?   
    LL> Nope. General Milley is still Trump's guy. As if nothing has   
    LL> happened to spoil their fine relationship. What a guy!   
      
   Milley has no real authority over the guard in this   
   case.  That's on the governors.  He's wearing fatigues   
   because that's the uniform of the day.   
      
   You DO realize I find Trump's use of force to clear   
   Lafayette Park repugnant, right?  You DO realize I   
   abhor his perversion of the guard for a cheap photo   
   op, right?  You're not only preaching to the choir,   
   the spittle flying from your frothing mouth is hitting   
   me in the face.   
      
    LL> Rather than defending the Constitution of the United States,   
    LL> the thing to do is to support and defend the president!   
    LL> After all, the president doesn't care about the Constitution   
    LL> of the United States, as shown by his hatred of "we the people."   
      
   You're so convinced of your interpretation that you   
   can't see how you could even possibly be misreading   
   the situation.   
      
    LL> >Esper got slapped down by the chiefs, which is why you don't   
    LL> >see troops confronted with the awful choice of potentially starting a cou   
    LL> > by disobeying illegal orders.   
    LL>    
    LL> Like your dear friend Milley, Esper also took an oath to defend   
    LL> the Constitution of the United States rather than the president.   
      
   Indeed.  And Esper came out against this.  Milley shouted   
   down Trump in a meeting.  Now the guard is being pulled from   
   DC.  The generals won this one.  What would you have rather   
   been done?  They through a hissy fit like you and get sacked   
   until Trump finds some asshole willing to do what he wants?   
   Or they exert pressure behinds the scenes and stave off a   
   coup until the election?   
      
   You can't see the bigger picture.   
      
    LL> But like Milley, he chose to do nothing to stop the president   
    LL> from having his way in going to war against the American people.   
      
   He literally shouted him down in a meeting.  Trump wanted   
   10,000 active duty troops to flood DC and Milley told him   
   to fuck off.   
      
    LL> So, by your lights it is perfectly okay for Americans to kill   
    LL> other Americans, as they would only be "following orders" of a   
    LL> president gone mad. That line of defense did not work out so   
    LL> well for Germans who were prosecuted at Nuremburg. I wonder how   
    LL> well that defense will work out for those who followed the illegal   
    LL> orders of their commander-in-chief?   
      
   Fuck off you sanctimonious douche.   
      
   How dare you accuse me of supporting this asshole or his   
   idiotic abuse of the military.  Pull the tree out of your   
   ass and act like an adult for a minute: what Trump is doing   
   is far from ok.  But blinding falling on our swords isn't   
   going to do anyone any favors and will only make the   
   situation orders of magnitude worse.   
      
    LL> General Honor‚ (who also took the same oath as you) had the good   
    LL> sense not to obey the illegal orders given to him by Governor "Bobby"   
    LL> Jindal, who wanted National Guardsmen to use live ammo to kill young   
    LL> black boys who were looting department stores in New Orleans. Talk   
    LL> about a helluva price to pay for stealing shoes, wouldn't you say?   
      
   Apples and oranges.   
      
    LL> Back to the crowd at St. John's church -   
    LL> You know as well as I do that nobody in that crowd deserved to be   
    LL> shot by rubber bullets, pepper spray, or tear gas. It was a peaceful   
    LL> protest, allowed under our US Constitution, and your fine president   
    LL> and fellow officers could have cared less. They did what they did   
    LL> because the US Constitution means nothing to them. And peoples lives   
    LL> mean even less.   
      
   Hey asshole, point out where I ever said that anyone   
   in that crowd deserved what happened to them?  Go ahead,   
   I'll wait.  That's your misinterpretation because you're   
   so goddamn drunk on your own faux moral superiority and   
   love to hear yourself talk that you never stop to see if   
   people are agreeing with you.  I bet you're just the life   
   of the parties you go to.   
      
   On the other hand, you seem to think it's funny to joke   
   about having COVID-19.  Is that because you don't care   
   about the 100,000 Americans who have died because your   
   fine president couldn't be bothered to get off the golf   
   course and deal with the pandemic like a real leader?   
      
    LL> Black Lives Matter. To all of us. Not just to blacks.   
      
   You say that, but your jokes about COVID-19 betray a   
   different viewpoint.  You obviously don't care, because   
   COVID-19 has disproportionately affected black and minority   
   communities and you seem to think it's fine material for   
   a joke.  You and your president should go golfing together,   
   you obviously have a lot in common.  Members of the latinx   
   community are also hard hit; do you still think your joke   
   was appropriate?  How about kids in cages in concentration   
   camps?  Do you approve of that, too?  I mean, your president   
   does.  He also jokes about COVID-19, I'm sure.   
      
    LL> We the people have a Constitutional right to exercise *all* freedoms   
    LL> noted. You might want to take some time and actually read what the US   
    LL> Constitution says, including all the amendments.   
      
   So are you going to show up at one of those reopening protests   
   without a mask and with a gun like the other right-wing nutjobs?   
   You clearly don't care about BLM and you clearly don't take   
   COVID-19 very seriously, so you'd probably fit right in.   
      
    LL> You can start with the Preamble and go from there. It should not   
    LL> take you long to finish, as the US Constitution is less than 5,000   
    LL> words total (including amendments).   
      
   Can I borrow your pocket constitution, or did you leave it   
   at the bird refugee with the other right-wingers?   
      
    LL> It doesn't take much to understand that murder is murder.   
    LL> I condemn *all* acts of violence. So should you, and everyone   
    LL> else.   
      
   Then why do you joke about COVID-19?   
      
    LL> A huge orange grin smiling at ya.   
      
   Seems like you support him based on what you do.   
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