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   -=> Dan Cross wrote to Daniel <=-   
      
    DC> On 04 Jun 2020 at 10:08p, Daniel pondered and said...   
      
    Da>  DC> It's just a convenient link to the video, guy.   
    Da>   
    Da> I was just ticked off at the insinuation that the riots don't matter.   
      
    DC> Yeah, those are _actually_ a really small part of   
    DC> what's happening.   
      
   Believe whatever you want. I won't attempt to talk reason with you. I really   
   hope you don't learn the hard way.    
      
   I spent yesterday helping with the cleanup while the national guard was down   
   the street. I have a number of friends who own businesses that were ravaged.   
   I'll be spending the weekend doing the same thing.    
      
   I'm sure it was all in my mind though. You can keep watching your cesspress   
   coverage now. Don't mind me.   
      
    Da>  DC> The "riots" are due to an extreme minority of people.   
    Da>  DC> The vast, vast majority are peacefully protesting.   
    Da>   
    Da> The narrative that the riots are mostly peaceful is part of a   
    Da> misinformation campaign by the press. Placing quotes around the word   
    Da> riots shows you don't question it. The left has turned into what they   
    Da> hate and don't even realize it.   
      
    DC> What nonsense.  Have you been there?  Have you seen what's   
    DC> happening?   
      
   Are you asking if I've been to every city? No. Have you?    
      
    DC> Riots by definition aren't peaceful, but what's _actually_   
    DC> happening is that, in the vast, vast majority of cases, it's   
    DC> people who are out peacefully protesting, as is their right   
    DC> under the Constitution.   
      
   I'm all for protesting. It's part of what makes this country great. It's quite   
   unfortunate that you believe everything your press tells you. Blinded.   
      
    DC> Trying to paint _all_ protesters with the "riot" brush is   
    DC> at best misleading and more likely deliberate.   
      
   I'm not, youre putting words in my mouth. I'm talking about the rioters. The   
   damage being done isn't at the hand of a few. It is widespread and thorough.   
      
   Repeating a false claim doesn't make it any more true.   
      
    DC> I've been to protests and seen the vast bulk of people   
    DC> behaving peacefully and with good intent.  A small number   
    DC> sometimes turn up to cause trouble.  Yet all the attention   
    DC> is heaped on the relatively small number of trouble   
    DC> makers.   
      
   I'm glad you've been to protests and delighted that you are safe. What exactly   
   are you protesting?    
      
    Da> I hope that changes.   
      
    DC> I hope you people on the right wake up and start respecting   
    DC> the rights of the citizenry.   
      
   You're being ignorant. We're angry about the rioting, looting, killing and how   
   it is being largely ignored and minimized. You're talking as if nothing   
   seriously wrong is occuring. You think that what's happening in the present day   
   is largely peaceful. Your experience is peaceful thankfully, but the damage   
   speaks a different story.   
      
   The left has been protesting ever since the unelectable Hillary lost in 2016.   
   If we were mad about anything it was the lies, ignorance, and hypocracy of   
   leftist demands.   
      
   What I'd like to see, primarily, is classical liberals disowning the far left   
   movement because they have wrecked your party.    
      
    Da> While many of the people have been arrested, the cities released them   
    Da> without bail the same evening so they returned to cause mayhem. And if   
    Da> you believe the riots are a small group of people, consider the mass   
    Da> damage these people managed to do. Take a look at all the looting that   
    Da> has been occuring in NYC. I read 900 people were arrested and quickly   
    Da> released in NYC alone. This is not an extreme minority. You'd like to   
    Da> think it's mostly peaceful but some of these large cities are saying   
    Da> that their police force is overwhelmed and asking for military   
    Da> assistance. Peaceful protests don't lose control.   
      
    DC> The way the NYPD usually works is that, _if_ a protest gets   
    DC> out of hand, they corral a large number of people into an   
    DC> enclosed space, take them into custody, and then process them:   
    DC> the vast bulk are never charged and released immediately.   
    DC> This is simply more efficient than trying to pick the   
    DC> perpetrators out in-situ.   
      
   Many of the perps arrested for rioting were released.   
      
    DC> I've heard this old saw of "the police feel overwhelmed" many   
    DC> times, and I call shenanigans.  The military doesn't exist to   
    DC> cater to the fantasies of right-wing would-be authoritarians.   
      
   By every accout, NYC has lost complete control of the streets over, by your   
   repeated exaggeration, a few people.    
      
    DC> Even Pat Robertson told Trump he's gone too far cracking down   
    DC> on protesters, and now the Generals are coming out and rebuking   
    DC> him publicly.  It sure took Mattis long enough, though.   
      
    DC> So what's it going to be: everyone else is wrong and Trump is   
    DC> right, or the much more likely explanation that Trump's an   
    DC> idiot?   
      
   I have been quite critical of Trump for his emotional tweets this last week.   
   But, the problem with the stanc eof the left is they have a view that the   
   president is the only person responsible for what happens in the coutry. They   
   ignore the fact that there's many layers of government elected below him   
   responsible for their areas. The coutnry is intensely complex and, yet, when   
   problems occur they never seem to blame their officials for the failings   
   unless, of course, the president is a democrat.   
      
    Da> My city, Sacramento, has had over fifty small businesses destroyed the   
    Da> last week and it's considered relatively peaceful. in my town, most of   
    Da> the protests, during the day, are peaceful. It's only after dark that   
    Da> the looting occurs. But if you listen to the press, it's only a few.   
    Da> Ridiculous.   
      
    DC> Is it, though?   
      
   Things have changed, at least in Sacramento. The groups attempted to create   
   mayhem in some of our suburban areas but were obviously unaware that they are   
   strong second amendment areas. It was short lived. Curfews were imposed only   
   after the rioting caused serious problems. Newsom also lives nearby. While we   
   dislike his politics, the organizations behind this mess are allied with him.   
   He, nor his Aunt, wont let them shit where he eats.   
      
   Listen, I don't care what you believe, have at it. What happened to Floyd was a   
   travesty for many reasons:   
      
   1. He was brutally murdered so casually, in the light of day, and surrouded by   
   witnesses.   
   2. The police department attempted to qwell dissent with the cliche 'the   
   officer was fired and the situation is under investigation,'   
   3. They arrested the officer four days later only after being pressured by   
   elected officials. Meanwhile, they utilized excessive police assets to protect   
   him during those days.   
   4. The murderer has had many reports of abuse in the past and never lost his   
   job or faced charges.   
   5. Institutional corruption in face of the coroner's autopsy report stating   
   that he died from something other than asphyxia. They followed it with 'blood   
   tests' knowing that these test can drag on, they hoped people would forget. Why   
   wouldn't they? The press' audience has a very short memory span. They've   
   learned to rely on it.    
   6. More than a week passed for charges to be set for the other officers who   
   simply stood there as if nothing was wrong. They even helped with the murder.   
   7. Not one witness felt compelled to pull the officer off Floyd. They just   
   yelled while recording the video.   
   8, Floyd's own family pleaded, on national tv, for people to quit rioting and   
   looting. Their words fell on deaf ears.   
   8. The second amendment exists particularly for this sort of situation.   
      
   I've been outraged in the past from police corruption. One situation involved a   
   gentleman in Fresno, California who posted often on police corruption. One day   
   he reported about a van parked across the street from his house with the door   
   open and an officer pointing surveillance gear at his house. This sort of   
   harassment spooked him and it was reported on social media with fears that his   
   life was in danger. He was later found charred after his house was set on fire.   
   It was reported that he was stabbed multiple times but the autopsy report was   
   unclear if it was the fire or the wounds that killed him. Attempted coverup of   
   a law enforcement led murder.   
      
   Another story involved a retired CIA agent who was pursued by police. He had   
   been working as a consultant for the CIA and was transporting top secret   
   material. Fearing that the chain of custody of his assets were in jeapardy. he   
   called his contact at the CIA to have them call the police off. After he pulled   
   over, he got out of his car as ordered. He reached in his back pocket to show   
   his credentials and they shot him. They casually stood over him as he bled out   
   and only called the medics after he expired. People would argue that they felt   
   he was pulling a weapon but he was wearing slacks and a button up shirt. Back   
   pockets aren't typical holster locations and it would've been obvious he was   
   unarmed. It was cold blooded murder.   
      
   There are many stories but that's two.   
      
   If you've been protesting, as you claim, I hope you are doing so for   
   institutional reform of law enforcement and reinforced citizen protection from   
   police brutality. If this is true, I'm completely behind you.   
      
   Stay safe,   
      
   Daniel Traechin   
      
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