XPost: alt.atheism, alt.transgendered, soc.support.transgendered
XPost: alt.support.depression
From: jeo@somewhere.org

On 2022-02-15 11:42, KWills wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 10:13:23 -0500, aaa  wrote:
>
>> On 2022-02-15 09:18, KWills wrote:
>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 23:15:17 -0500, aaa  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-02-14 21:29, KWills wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 20:00:54 -0500, aaa  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-02-14 13:29, KWills wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 12:52:52 -0500, aaa  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-14 12:22, KWills wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:21:02 -0500, aaa  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm talking about the logic I have shown in the above.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's flawed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because what God allows or ignores is entirely up to God.  What
is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reserved for Heaven may not be appropriate for Earth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that God's law is conditional depending on whether
it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> applied to heaven or earth? Where is the justice in that?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How God applies God's law is up to Him.  Is that too difficult to
>>>>>>>>>>> understand?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nothing difficult to understand. It's called justice. Is it
difficult to
>>>>>>>>>> understand justice?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Justice for those who have graduated to Heaven is different from
>>>>>>>>> justice handed out on Earth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nonsense. It's the same God's law.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He can hand it out how He chooses.  Do you expect Him to give people
>>>>>>> in Hell justice?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> According to the truth, absolutely.
>>>>>
>>>>> What does that even mean?
>>>>
>>>> It's justice based on truth. Is there anything wrong about that?
>>>
>>> It's meaningless, that's what's wrong with it.
>>
>> Not to me. Why is it meaningless to you?
>
> It's just a word salad with no meaning.

That only shows your own ignorance.

>
>>>>>> It's why no one can complain about
>>>>>> God's judgment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tell that to the people in Hell.
>>>>
>>>> They can't deny the truth, so they have to accept the judgment.
>>>
>>> Without complaining?
>>
>> There is nothing to complain since it's the rightful punishment for
>> their crime.
>
> Perhaps some were seeking forgiveness which He never gave them?

Asking forgiveness isn't enough. One has to repent first before one can
stand before God asking for anything. An unrepented sinner can't even
stand before God let alone asking for anything.


>
>>>>>>>>      Otherwise, why would anyone want to go to
>>>>>>>>> Heaven?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because it's God's grace and precious gift of life.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And if it was the same as Earth, as you seem to suggest, why would
>>>>>>> anyone give a shit?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It isn't the same as the fallen Earth. It's the infallible heavenly
life.
>>>>>
>>>>> And it works by different rules than Earth.
>>>>
>>>> God's law is always the same to everyone.
>>>
>>> Prove it.  A Supreme Being can, by definition, do whatever He wants
>>> wherever He wants...or not at all.
>>
>> It's the requirement of justice. Justice requires the law equally
>> applied to all.
>
> On Earth, yes, in theory.  But God can do whatever He wants.  If He
> wants to eliminate evil from Heaven He can do that.

That's only your imagination.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            God is omnipotent, He can do whatever the fuck He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wants, wherever He wants.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allowing bad things is not being omnipotent. Omnipotence
means there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no bad thing possible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Omnipotence means *anything* is possible.  That's what
'omni' means!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since God is good, omnipotence means God has made all things
good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore, there is no bad thing left.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet lots of bad things abound.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have nothing to do with God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course they do.  He didn't stop them happening, did He?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't know that. That is only your presumption.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If He had stopped them happening, they wouldn't have happened,
would
>>>>>>>>>>> they?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is exactly why there is no sin or evil in heaven.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because God exercises His powers in Heaven in a way He doesn't do on
>>>>>>>>> Earth!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pure speculation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Far from it.  In Heaven, we are taught that all is Good.  Not so on
>>>>>>> Earth.  Same God, different rules.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Heaven is good but not because of different rules.
>>>>>
>>>>> God has MADE Heaven good...unlike Earth.
>>>>
>>>> Not according to the Bible. The Bible says God made the Earth good.
>>>
>>> Didn't last long, did it?
>>
>> Actually, the fall of man didn't happen long.
>
> It's been happening since the Garden of Eden incident.

It's merely a blip in the history of life.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>> God is like the sun,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and evil is like the darkness of the night. Whenever there is the
sun,
>>>>>>>>>>>> there can't be the darkness of the night.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And yet the darkness of the night inevitably follows the light of
day.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The sun will always shine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Until you can't see it and it gets dark.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is only the illusion on Earth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So what do YOU see when it gets dark?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It doesn't matter whether I can see the sun.
>>>>>
>>>>> But you can see the darkness of the night, can't you?  That's where
>>>>> the evil lies.
>>>>
>>>> It's only an illusion.
>>>
>>> Darkness is an illusion?  Like 'trangendering'?
>>
>> Evil is only an illusion, yes.
>
> You don't see evil in the world around you?   What sort of Polyanna
> attitude is that?

I see evil, and I know it's only an illusion.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is not an answer to my question. Where is the logic for
someone to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do good without believing good in the first place?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps there is something intrinsic in human nature that
wants to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You need to justify the logic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I don't.  It's fundamental human behaviour.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then it's only an illogical behavior.
>>>>>>>>>>>

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