XPost: alt.atheism, alt.transgendered, soc.support.transgendered
XPost: alt.support.depression
From: jeo@somewhere.org

On 2022-02-15 09:18, KWills wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 23:15:17 -0500, aaa  wrote:
>
>> On 2022-02-14 21:29, KWills wrote:
>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 20:00:54 -0500, aaa  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-02-14 13:29, KWills wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 12:52:52 -0500, aaa  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-02-14 12:22, KWills wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:21:02 -0500, aaa  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm talking about the logic I have shown in the above.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's flawed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because what God allows or ignores is entirely up to God.  What is
>>>>>>>>>>> reserved for Heaven may not be appropriate for Earth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that God's law is conditional depending on whether
it's
>>>>>>>>>> applied to heaven or earth? Where is the justice in that?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How God applies God's law is up to Him.  Is that too difficult to
>>>>>>>>> understand?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nothing difficult to understand. It's called justice. Is it difficult
to
>>>>>>>> understand justice?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Justice for those who have graduated to Heaven is different from
>>>>>>> justice handed out on Earth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nonsense. It's the same God's law.
>>>>>
>>>>> He can hand it out how He chooses.  Do you expect Him to give people
>>>>> in Hell justice?
>>>>
>>>> According to the truth, absolutely.
>>>
>>> What does that even mean?
>>
>> It's justice based on truth. Is there anything wrong about that?
>
> It's meaningless, that's what's wrong with it.

Not to me. Why is it meaningless to you?

>
>>>> It's why no one can complain about
>>>> God's judgment.
>>>
>>> Tell that to the people in Hell.
>>
>> They can't deny the truth, so they have to accept the judgment.
>
> Without complaining?

There is nothing to complain since it's the rightful punishment for
their crime.

>
>>>>>>     Otherwise, why would anyone want to go to
>>>>>>> Heaven?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because it's God's grace and precious gift of life.
>>>>>
>>>>> And if it was the same as Earth, as you seem to suggest, why would
>>>>> anyone give a shit?
>>>>
>>>> It isn't the same as the fallen Earth. It's the infallible heavenly life.
>>>
>>> And it works by different rules than Earth.
>>
>> God's law is always the same to everyone.
>
> Prove it.  A Supreme Being can, by definition, do whatever He wants
> wherever He wants...or not at all.

It's the requirement of justice. Justice requires the law equally
applied to all.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           God is omnipotent, He can do whatever the fuck He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wants, wherever He wants.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allowing bad things is not being omnipotent. Omnipotence
means there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no bad thing possible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Omnipotence means *anything* is possible.  That's what 'omni'
means!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since God is good, omnipotence means God has made all things
good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore, there is no bad thing left.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet lots of bad things abound.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They have nothing to do with God.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Of course they do.  He didn't stop them happening, did He?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You don't know that. That is only your presumption.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If He had stopped them happening, they wouldn't have happened, would
>>>>>>>>> they?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is exactly why there is no sin or evil in heaven.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because God exercises His powers in Heaven in a way He doesn't do on
>>>>>>> Earth!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pure speculation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Far from it.  In Heaven, we are taught that all is Good.  Not so on
>>>>> Earth.  Same God, different rules.
>>>>
>>>> Heaven is good but not because of different rules.
>>>
>>> God has MADE Heaven good...unlike Earth.
>>
>> Not according to the Bible. The Bible says God made the Earth good.
>
> Didn't last long, did it?

Actually, the fall of man didn't happen long.


>
>>>>>>>>>> God is like the sun,
>>>>>>>>>> and evil is like the darkness of the night. Whenever there is the
sun,
>>>>>>>>>> there can't be the darkness of the night.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And yet the darkness of the night inevitably follows the light of
day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The sun will always shine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Until you can't see it and it gets dark.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is only the illusion on Earth.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what do YOU see when it gets dark?
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't matter whether I can see the sun.
>>>
>>> But you can see the darkness of the night, can't you?  That's where
>>> the evil lies.
>>
>> It's only an illusion.
>
> Darkness is an illusion?  Like 'trangendering'?

Evil is only an illusion, yes.


>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is not an answer to my question. Where is the logic for
someone to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do good without believing good in the first place?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps there is something intrinsic in human nature that wants
to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> good?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You need to justify the logic.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, I don't.  It's fundamental human behaviour.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then it's only an illogical behavior.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There's nothing illogical about it.  It is what it is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's empty claim. You don't even dare to face the logic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Speaking of empty claims, what about your claim that Jesus said only
>>>>>>> God is good?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not a claim. It's fact.
>>>>>
>>>>> In that case, provide the cite.  Until you do, it remains an
>>>>> unsupported claim.
>>>>
>>>> I don't need to support a fact. Fact is already evident, and it's your
>>>> responsibility to verify.
>>>
>>> You presented it as an assertion.  It becomes a fact after you've
>>> proved it, which remains your responsibility.  Pretty basic stuff, eh?
>>> Why not just admit you made it up and move on?
>>
>> That's your misunderstanding. It's already a fact. I can't make a fact
>> less than a fact. It will always be a fact no matter what I do.
>
> It's not a fact until you confirm it by verifying it.  Which you
> obviously can't.

I don't need to verify it. I already know the fact. You, on the other
hand, are a different story.

>
> Try this on an atheist and you'll be laughed out of town.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To be clear, the bad thing in this fallen world is not
by God's

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