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>Seth Joshua Horvitz <acid23@uclink.berkeley.edu> writes:
>
>I've heard of something called a "midi ball" being used by local boys
>TASTIBOX during their live shows.  I guess it's something which gets
>thrown out into the audience and has some control over the equipment, so
>that the audience actually has something to do with the music being
>produced.  Maybe we could get one of these at a rave.  Anyone know more
>about it?

I saw D'Cuckoo here in San Francisco last Thursday and they used something
I'd call a "midi ball" for lack of a better term. It was a clear plastic
ball about 4 feet in diameter. You could see a black piece of hardware
in the center of it that I assume was some kind of motion sensor. They
threw it out in the audience and when the crowd hit it, it triggered
speech samples, sound Fx, etc. It really  got the crowd going.

Steve Sanders		ssanders@convex.com


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I've heard of something called a "midi ball" being used by local boys
TASTIBOX during their live shows.  I guess it's something which gets
thrown out into the audience and has some control over the equipment, so
that the audience actually has something to do with the music being
produced.  Maybe we could get one of these at a rave.  Anyone know more
about it?

			-SETH/MescalinaanilacseM\HTES-
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From: Neal Howard <neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org>
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> Someday I want to make a huge board (like 10 feet by 20 feet) and have
> HUGE knobs for the 303 controls.. and then play a bassline in a rave and 
> let people jump up and turn the knobs... but this would require opening up
> my 303, desoldering the pots, and then rebuilding it all vover againm, not to
> mention making huge knobs and coming up with a control system..
> -john

The oldest Peavey P.A. mixers had these giant ~2 1/2 inch diameter black
bakelite knobs for volume controls that looked like the kind of knobs you'd
see on laboratory control panels in old 1950's sci-fi movies. My friend who
owns the JP-4 in which I added 7 extra banks of patch memory used one of these
giant knobs for the volume control on the JP-4. I believe they are still
available from Peavey for about a dollar each but you have to get them from
the Peavey parts dept, as they don't sell them as a regularly marketed retail
item. The music store I used to work in had a box of about 25 of these the
last time I checked.

Neal
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John,

Two words: dead fucking brilliant.

-Randy


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Well,
	Does anyone have plans\ideas for making a MIDI ball?  Where can you get the remote sensors that presumably send the MIDI messages?  Build them?

Robert Williams
MANNA-MACHINE

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The giant MIDI ball reminds me of the time I saw the "Flying Karamazov Brothers",
a juggling/humor act made up of a bunch of college professors.  All four guys
put on MIDI helmets (wireless too) and when they clubbed themselves on the
head with a juggling pin, the remote synth emitted a note.  I think there
were at least 2 or more notes per helmet.  The best part was when they
started playing BACH while juggling and bonking themselves on the head.

Forrest Cook
cook@stout.atd.ucar.edu WB0RIO
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>Someday I want to make a huge board (like 10 feet by 20 feet) and have
>HUGE knobs for the 303 controls.. and then play a bassline in a rave and
>let people jump up and turn the knobs... but this would require opening up
>my 303, desoldering the pots, and then rebuilding it all vover againm, not to
>mention making huge knobs and coming up with a control system..

  Heh, I've been thinking about this for a while too...  Considering I cherish
my 303, and would only open it to dust the thing with a diaper, the thought
of getting a soldering iron anywhere near it makes me cringe.  But the idea
of audience interaction in acid-style music is very appealing. 

  I was thinking about making a multi-servo remote controled "adapter" that
would slide onto the row of knobs on the 303.  You could then hook up a 
transmitter to any kind of potentiometer you wanted to use, and adjust the
sounds remotely.  It's probably more work than it's worth though.  Who knows,
maybe when I have a spare Saturday, i'll build the damn thing.  Heh, I bet
all the RC geeks would be jeleous...  :)


Bryan C. 


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Someday I want to make a huge board (like 10 feet by 20 feet) and have
HUGE knobs for the 303 controls.. and then play a bassline in a rave and 
let people jump up and turn the knobs... but this would require opening up
my 303, desoldering the pots, and then rebuilding it all vover againm, not to
mention making huge knobs and coming up with a control system..

-john

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> no man, we're talking about knobs that are  oh, 
> 12-20 inches across.. :)

Actually, when I first read this I envisioned knobs 4-5 ft in diameter.  If
they were mounted on a wall, more than just one or two people could
twiddle them.  Or you could have a maze of knobs placed horizontally on the
floor that people could wander in and out of.  Or how about MIDI trigger
pads mounted in a section of the floor.  Or a whole room lined with them
along the wall.  A whole interactive chill room....


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>I've heard of something called a "midi ball" being used by local boys
>TASTIBOX during their live shows.  I guess it's something which gets
>thrown out into the audience and has some control over the equipment, so
>that the audience actually has something to do with the music being
>produced.  Maybe we could get one of these at a rave.  Anyone know more
>about it?

It's not Tastibox, whoever THEY are; it's D'Cuckoo, the hottest bunch
of pumped women playing homemade MIDI mallet controllers you ever saw
in your LIFE. The MIDIBall is part of their stage show; it triggers 
samples and algorithmic rhythm changes when struck. It's HUGE, about
eight feet across, and a lot of fun. Isaac Salzman and I had a grand
time helping the crowd bat it around, the night I met the band for the
first time. I'll always cherish that memory...Zak was dead a month later.
|-<

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no man, we're talking about knobs that are  oh, 

12-20 inches across.. :)

BIG filter knobs.

-john

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From: smj@sdf.lonestar.org (Stephen M. Jones)
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> The oldest Peavey P.A. mixers had these giant ~2 1/2 inch diameter black
> bakelite knobs for volume controls that looked like the kind of knobs you'd
> see on laboratory control panels in old 1950's sci-fi movies. My friend who
> owns the JP-4 in which I added 7 extra banks of patch memory used one of these
> giant knobs for the volume control on the JP-4. I believe they are still
> available from Peavey for about a dollar each but you have to get them from
> the Peavey parts dept, as they don't sell them as a regularly marketed retail
> item. The music store I used to work in had a box of about 25 of these the
> last time I checked.

those knobs are absolutely beautiful!  the PERFECt gift idea for a friend
with a six trak



