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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 95 07:04:55 CST
From: Brian Redman <bigxc@firefly.prairienet.org>
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Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3 Num. 44


              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3  Num. 44
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")
 
 
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GLOBAL 2000: EARTH FIRST! FOR THE "MASTER RACE"
 
My transcript of a recent episode of a public access show, 
originating in Chicago, called "Broadsides". This episode 
featured independent researcher Sherman Skolnick, and author Mark 
Sato. Note that in the following I neither necessarily agree nor 
disagree with some or all of the views expressed.
 
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And so they were disqualified. And the ones that said, "Yes"...
 
 
MARK SATO:
Well...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
..proceeded to the next step in the project?
 
 
SATO:
..Well, no. Obviously they have a problem. Especially if...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
*Who* has a problem?
 
 
SATO:
GIs. If they are sent into a... Let's say they're sent into an 
African-American community and they're told, "This community is 
out of control. Go in there and impose martial law. And if 
anybody moves, shoot 'em."
 
Now there's quite a large minority of the GIs, in this country, 
who are African-American. Now...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
They're trying to get 'em out! They're trying to whittle them 
down, out of the army!
 
 
SATO:
Now, now, now, Sherman. Nevertheless -- Hey. They're not gonna 
whittle 'em down in six years, Sherman. There's gonna be plenty 
of 'em in the army at the time at which they're going to promote 
and provoke problems in African-American communities and send 
troops in there for the purpose of gunning down as many people as 
they can.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Well, notice this...
 
 
SATO:
O.K.? Wait a minute, Sherman!
 
And so, when they ask black GIs, "Will you shoot Americans?", 
they really know that, you know, anybody who's got half a brain 
understands what the question really means. It means, "Will I 
shoot my brother, in his own community, in his doorway?" That's 
what it really means.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
But notice: some of us view the Vietnam War in very cynical 
terms. In the '60s, from all these civil rights marches [by] Dr. 
King and others, there were rising expectations...
 
 
SATO:
By the way, Sherman. Before you get into that, I'd just like to 
make one very important point about these African-American GIs 
*in* a situation in which they would be required (unless they 
wanted to be hung) to shoot their brothers -- and that is that, 
the situation in Roseland that you mentioned has caused the FBI 
to go into the Roseland community, to be, to mingle with the 
police...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
The gestapo!
 
 
SATO:
Yeah, the gestapo.
 
..to mingle with the police. And this is a first strike, in the 
black communities in Chicago, to start provoking the African- 
American [unclear] into...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Federal police.
 
 
SATO:
Wait a minute. Sherman. Quiet.
 
..into a situation in which there will be the requirement that 
American GIs, and black GIs, be sent into this community for the 
distinct purpose of wiping out their brothers!
 
 
SKOLNICK:
On the excuse that there's...
 
 
SATO:
..there's trouble.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
There's dope that the CIA brought in.
 
 
SATO:
There's dope, there's guns, which has been brought in by the 
British and American...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
All right. But notice this genocide problem, that this is an 
ongoing thing.
 
During the Vietnam War, the black population of the United States 
was eleven-and-a-half percent. But they constituted twenty-six 
percent of those that were in the jungles in Vietnam. Blacks. 
People of color.
 
Now what was the problem at that time, and from a cynical 
standpoint? Dr. King and others, because of the marching, was 
getting the blacks with rising expectation: equal employment, 
"they're gonna have a house", "they're gonna have a job", and so 
on. And how did LBJ [President Johnson] deal with this? With the 
body bags. He sent 'em over there to be slaughtered! That's how 
he dealt with their rising expectations.
 
*And*, here's the "national security" question, the so-called. 
When Dr. King, in April of '67 made a speech, what'd he say? He 
says, "*I* am going to go to Vietnam to tell black GIs not to 
slaughter yellow-skinned people in somebody else's civil war." So 
he was implying the genocide angle right there. And of course, a 
year to the day, they slaughtered him.
 
 
SATO:
Sherman...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
On "national security" reasons!
 
 
SATO:
Sherman, you make, you made an even *more* important point at the 
outset: that is...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
..yellow people...
 
 
SATO:
No, no, no.
 
..that King was trying to hold out hope for economic development 
of the African-American communities. *That* is *verboten*. You 
cannot do that.
 
What'd they say in this National Security Study Memorandum 
written by Henry Kissinger? They said, "*Forget* about economic 
development." Now what is the biggest problem in the African- 
American communities today with regard to economic situations? 
Lack of jobs! Now. They're not gonna *get* any jobs! Why? Because 
Clinton has passed, has rammed through, GATT and NAFTA. And we 
have turned the American economy from an economy with 250 million 
consumers, into an economy, into a *world* economy, where there 
are 5.6 billion consumers, many of whom are earning 19 cents an 
hour. And we're gonna ask the African-Americans who don't have 
jobs to compete with 19-cents-an-hour labor? It ain't gonna 
happen.
 
So you see, Sherman... The problem today is that GATT and NAFTA 
have completely foreclosed any hope for education, for jobs, in 
the African-American community. It is *done*. It's over with.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
So they're using, insofar as... Well, Mexico was [unclear] 
with...
 
 
SATO:
But you see, Sherman, that is *why* they have to be panicked 
about what's going to happen in the African-American communities 
when people finally figure out that there *is* *not* gonna be any 
more education, there's *not* gonna be jobs. It's 19 cents an 
hour.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
All right, let's see if this fits in with your thesis there: 
Mexico is principally Indians. People of color. And therefore, 
this whole NAFTA thing, to use them as cheap labor: does that fit 
into your genocide theory in some way?
 
 
SATO:
Sure. NAFTA now... And the people in the State Department want to 
lower the population of Mexico from over 60 million to under 20 
million.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
How?
 
 
SATO:
Hey folks, there's a group out there called "Chiapas", which is 
gonna start provoking civil war like crazy in Mexico. And they're 
going to cause a *tremendous*, devastating war in Mexico which 
wipes out over 40 million people.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
O.K. So wait a minute. So this uh, your thesis is that this 
putting an FBI task force -- according to the September 8th, '94 
issue of the *[Chicago] Tribune*, which is right on the front 
page: "FBI Task Force Joins City Police to Fight Gangs". That's 
their excuse! But *actually*, they're putting the gestapo into 
the inner city...
 
 
SATO:
..for the purpose of making sure that there is a point at which 
the African-American community explodes, and they have to send in 
their troops and kill everybody...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Before we run out of time: you also feel that these attacks on 
black celebrities are not accidental.
 
 
SATO:
No. They're not accidental at all. They have money, they have 
influence. The FBI wants to get rid of 'em.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Why?
 
 
SATO:
O.J. Simpson. Michael Jordan's father. Michael Jackson.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Why?
 
 
SATO:
Because they're [unclear], according to the FBI; they're not 
"worthy" of having any position of influence or wealth.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
O.K. And since they are now quite wealthy, if they ever became 
political -- I'm not saying that O.J. Simpson was or is 
political, or Michael Jackson was or is political -- but *were* 
they, in a time of the American gestapo running out of control, 
they might say something and have to be heard worldwide... among 
white people, among people of color. You couldn't shut them up. 
If they held a press conference, it'd be covered.
 
So they're discredited. They're "murderers", they're "child 
molesters".
 
 
SATO:
Or they're just murdered, period.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Yeah. In other words, because they're well-known they don't want 
them as spokesmen for the Afro-American community. Is that the 
point?
 
 
SATO:
They don't want them as spokesmen for *anybody*.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
So, well what you're saying is, whether Mel Reynolds, the 
congressman, is or is not a sleazebag as accused, it's 
interesting that of *all* the crooked congressmen that they could 
think about, they centered on him. That's not accidental, right? 
They could find some other congressmen that are equally as 
crooked as him.
 
 
SATO:
Sure.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Assuming that he's crooked.
 
 
SATO:
Well yeah. But that comes down to, "Take a whole handful of darts 
and just throw it at the [unclear], and anybody you hit..."
 
 
SKOLNICK:
All right, before we run out of time, what suggestion do you 
have? You've laid out a very somber thing there. How do we get 
into the next century?
 
 
SATO:
In my view, there aren't a whole lot of solutions, simply 
because...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Well, before we run out of time, give us some.
 
 
SATO:
There are certain African-Americans who wish there to be 
reparations to the African-Americans because of slavery. That is 
not practical for a lot of reasons. It's...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Oh I'm for it if the ultra-rich pay for it!
 
 
SATO:
Sherman, that's impractical.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
..shouldn't tax the rest of us. The ultra-rich: let them pay!
 
 
SATO:
They're not gonna do that unless you "string 'em up".
 
 
SKOLNICK:
"String" who up?
 
 
SATO:
The super-rich.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
The Rockefellers.
 
 
SATO:
Yeah. That's not gonna happen.
 
So the only thing *I* would suggest is a strike. A mortgage 
strike.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Well, we're running out of time.
 
 
SATO:
..A rent strike.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
We're running out of time. And we thank everybody for listening. 
We've worried a lot of 'em. People secretly think that maybe we 
represent the Tylenol and aspirin industry with these programs 
[laughs]. We *do* worry people! But we hopefully cause you to 
think.
 
Thanks for listening, and watch us again on "Broadsides". Good 
evening.
 
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