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Date: Sat, 7 Jan 95 23:29:00 CST
From: Brian Redman <bigxc@firefly.prairienet.org>
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Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3 Num. 42


              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3  Num. 42
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")
 
 
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GLOBAL 2000: EARTH FIRST! FOR THE "MASTER RACE"
 
My transcript of a recent episode of a public access show, 
originating in Chicago, called "Broadsides". This episode 
featured independent researcher Sherman Skolnick, and author Mark 
Sato. Note that in the following I neither necessarily agree nor 
disagree with some or all of the views expressed.
 
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
But come back to my point. The Second World War, in... to put it 
in its simplest form, was a form of genocide...
 
 
MARK SATO:
That's correct.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
..directed against the, whatever you wanna call 'em, the 
"unwanted" of Europe...
 
 
SATO:
Right.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
..And, you know, it is now becoming evident, fifty years, you 
know, after the Second World War, that 6 months before they 
dropped their genocide bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, 6 months 
before that, Emperor Hirohito was already negotiating through 
Switzerland to end the war. And our side didn't want to end the 
war!
 
So all this hoopla that they've made in the "history" books that 
"we dropped the atomic bomb because the Japanese were gonna fight 
to the death and we were gonna lose a million troops storming 
their homeland" -- we Americans rejected a genuine effort to end 
the war...
 
 
SATO:
Now don't say "we Americans". The *elite* who were controlling...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Yeah, right. That doesn't include the rest of us...
 
 
SATO:
That's right.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
..that were alive at the time.
 
 
SATO:
We had no say...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
The common people.
 
Yeah, you're right. But the point is, notice the genocide 
application: they *had* the atomic bomb early enough; they 
could've dropped it on Hitler! On Germany. They didn't do it. 
See, 'cause that didn't fit their genocide. They dropped it on 
the people of color -- which would be the Japanese. And you know, 
you know what...
 
To this day, they don't talk about Nagasaki. I mean, Hiroshima -- 
they dropped *another* bomb on Nagasaki!
 
I mean, so we now know, fifty years later, it was unnecessary. 
They could've ended the war. And all this stuff in the "history" 
books, that *that* ended the war, is false.
 
 
SATO:
That is correct.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
In other words, it was strictly genocide. Why? Because the 
burgeoning population of the eastern world, the Japanese, was 
disturbing the ultra-rich of this country in some way. I mean, 
they were wanting to broaden out their markets, they needed oil, 
this and that. We strangled 'em, and after we strangled 'em on 
metal and oil, they rose up and they bombed Pearl Harbor -- which 
was a natural thing! I mean, you strangle somebody, he's gonna 
resist, or "croak"!
 
[CN -- Not to say, by any means, that the Japanese were all 
angels during WWII. In my view, Skolnick is essentially correct. 
However another motive for the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki 
was that these politicians and these "scientists" had a new toy 
that they were dying to try out. Also, Skolnick's view of the so- 
called "strangling" of Japan by the U.S. is one-sided: Japan was 
also an imperialist power, in its turn "strangling" other 
nations.]
 
And so the "history" books -- they've left some things out. 
They've left out the genocide angle in all this.
 
 
SATO:
Right. And so, what your example really points up is that Robert 
McNamara's insistence that nuclear war is a "good" way to get rid 
of people is a... we should take that very seriously because he 
is from the same group of people who would be *quite* willing to 
bomb the crap out of everybody on the face of the planet, simply 
because they need to get rid of some people!
 
And that's the *only* reason. That's all the reason they need.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Listen. Is the bottom line, is it your view from researching all 
this, that these devils really and seriously, in the remaining 
few years of the 20th century, would do this "Global 2000" and 
want to get rid of "x" number of people?
 
 
SATO:
Sure.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
How?
 
 
SATO:
By nuclear war. By famine. By disease -- AIDS is one of the ways 
in which they have decided to get rid of a lot of people.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Do I gather that they have "written off" Africa as undesireable?
 
 
SATO:
That's what I just said: AIDS is one of the ways in which they're 
gonna try and get rid of people. And that... AIDS is a weapon 
that has been pointed...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Most at Africa.
 
 
SATO:
..most dreadfully, at Africa. Yes.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Yeah they talk about these other famines caused by civil wars. 
But the main thing that's killing off Africa is AIDS. And it's 
not from green monkeys...
 
 
SATO:
No, we engineered AIDS in this country.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
At Fort Meade, or wherever.
 
 
SATO:
That's right. We engineered AIDS: both HIV-I and HIV-II...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
In Maryland. That was the mad doctors of...
 
 
SATO:
..were engineered in this country.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
..the Central Intelligence Agency, at least *I* believe, that 
created AIDS. And I wouldn't say it was a thing that got out of 
control. It may have been intentional...
 
 
SATO:
No, it wasn't a thing that got out of control. It was 
intentionally introduced into Africa, HIV-II, was intentionally 
introduced into Africa for the purpose of wiping them out! 
*Because*, [sarcastically] <<there are "too many" people there.>>
 
 
SKOLNICK:
O.K. But call...
 
 
SATO:
And they threaten our "national security" interests.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
You were the one that did a big research project that we used on 
an earlier program, maybe a year or more ago, about AIDS, that 
basically it -- since the homosexuals were considered "not 
desireable" for the Army, I mean, [sarcastically] <<They're 
unnecessary. Kill 'em all.>>
 
 
SATO:
That's right. Well, one more "national security" risk. They were 
considered a "national security" risk. And therefore...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
So, in other words...
 
 
SATO:
..it was allowed to get rid of... HIV-I was introduced...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
So...
 
 
SATO:
..into the homosexual community.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
..AIDS, in its simplest form, is a genocide attack on certain 
categories...
 
 
SATO:
There is no question about it.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
But they allege (if you believe the media at all) that it is 
targeting heterosexuals in some way or another. So it...
 
 
SATO:
Well, O.K.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
..it, the "mad doctor" thing got out of hand.
 
 
SATO:
No, no, no.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
..they intended it to "wipe out" the gay community.
 
 
SATO:
No, no. It didn't -- yes, wipe 'em out. But also...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
>From a national...
 
 
SATO:
..You see...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
..security standpoint: "They're not suitable to be in the Army 
-- get rid of 'em! Kill 'em all!"
 
 
SATO:
You see, it *has* gone into the heterosexual population. But 
*how* has it gone into the heterosexual population?
 
One of the other *key* groups that HIV-I is attacking are 
intravenous drug users. They were also a target.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
So there's a contradiction, a dichotomy there. 'Cause there is 
the CIA and the aristocracy bringing *in* the dope. Then after 
they get 'em hooked on dope, you're saying, "Well. Now we're 
gonna kill 'em!" [laughs]
 
 
SATO:
There will *always* be a market for dope.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
There's a contradiction there!
 
 
SATO:
No, no. There will always be a market for dope. They're not 
worried about that, one little bit.
 
So they'd just as soon kill them off, and...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
This very bizarre thought occurred to me. I don't know how it's 
gonna fly, but just let me try to fly it: Hitler, in its simplest 
form, was more fair on the genocide thing than *these* guys. He 
didn't start with the biological thing. I mean, he rounded up the 
"undesireables", put 'em in concentration camps -- uh, next to 
I.G. Farben's facilities for artificial gasoline and all that 
kind of stuff.
 
 
SATO:
..Rockefeller...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Yeah! And worked 'em to death, and killed off those that he 
didn't work to death.
 
In some way he was more (what is the word?)... the word "fair" 
isn't it. He was more "straight in front" [i.e. "up front"].
 
*Now* they're saying, "Oh! This strange disease 'showed up' 
that's killing the people." And we don't have a devil! We can't 
point the [unclear] and says, "Hey! That's where it's comin' 
from." You see what I'm saying? In other words, Hitler was a 
known devil. Where are the known devils? Where *is* the 
Euthanasia Society? Where is the Eugenics Society? What's their 
address? Do ya know it?
 
 
SATO:
They're in the Chase Manhattan Bank.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Well that's the, that's the proper place for them to be! [laughs]
 
 
SATO:
It's largely, largely funded by the Rockefeller Foundation and 
other, similar foundations set up by the super-rich.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
In other words, they're not prepared to come right out in front 
and say, "Hey. We're against these people. We set off this 
epidemic bomb, this AIDS thing. We're gonna get rid of all these 
people. And if ya don't leave, we're gonna ship ya to some 
godforsaken island in the Pacific and starve ya to death." 
[laughs]
 
In other words... I don't mean to laugh or joke, but in other 
words, the entire thing is, is evil. And what? And they're 
promoting books and stuff that they're gonna work the population 
down, or...
 
 
SATO:
Well, of course. Yeah. There's a lot of different ways that...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
..line 'em up and machine gun 'em to death.
 
 
SATO:
There's a lot of different ways that they're subtly killing 
people, which don't appear to be genocidal. I mean, usually when 
people think of genocidal things, they usually think of war 
and...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
So that the introduction...
 
 
SATO:
At least *purposeful* genocide.
 
                   [...to be continued...]
 
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