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Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3 Num. 35


              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3  Num. 35
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")
 
 
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EUSTACE MULLINS -- OCTOBER 28, 1994
 
Tom Valentine's guest on *Radio Free America* (Shortwave, 5.065 
MHz, mon-fri, 9 pm cst) on October 28, 1994 was controversial 
author Eustace Mullins. Note that views expressed in the 
following do not necessarily reflect my own views or those of 
Conspiracy Nation.
 
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TOM VALENTINE [continues]:
All right, we are back, live. My guest is Eustace Mullins, the 
author of a number of books: *The New World Order*, *Secrets of 
the Federal Reserve*, *Murder by Injection*, *The Rape of 
Justice*, *The Curse of Canaan*, and *Education for Slavery*, a 
brand new one.
 
Now I've not read all of those. I've got three of 'em I *have* 
read. In fact, *The Secrets of the Federal Reserve* (this'll 
bring back memories for ya, Eustace), I picked that up in a used 
bookstore in 1978 and read it -- the old, yellow-covered 
paperback, you remember?
 
 
EUSTACE MULLINS:
Oh yes. Um-hmm [affirmative].
 
 
VALENTINE:
Yeah. And so that goes back quite awhile. You've been around. 
Like I said, you published this in '52. And I got an old one, an 
old copy, out of a used bookstore, way back then.
 
All right. John, in Folsom, Louisianna. You're on, with Eustace 
Mullins.
 
 
JOHN:
Good afternoon, Tom! Great pleasure to hear Mr. Eustace Mullins. 
I have his book, also from a second-hand store.
 
Is it true that Kuhn and Loeb got their financial start 
manufacturing military, army uniforms in Cincinnati, Ohio, for 
the Union forces during the Civil War?
 
 
MULLINS:
Yeah, that's true. They were actually outfitters. And they made 
so much money out of the Civil War that they went into banking. 
Because they made gold; in those days you were paid in gold. And 
they had so much gold, that they went to New York and became 
*the* banking house of the House of Rothschild in New York City.
 
 
JOHN:
Now an author named "Wexler"(sp?) in *Merchant Bankers* says that 
Baron Rothschild set up the world's most extensive, effective, 
efficient, worldwide intelligence system two centuries ago. I 
prefer to believe that it's still intact and that it beats the 
KGB, or it beats the CIA, even today.
 
Would you comment on that?
 
 
VALENTINE:
That's an interesting question!
 
 
MULLINS:
Well it is, that's true. In fact, these intelligence services go 
back to the Bank of England in 1694. Because bankers found out 
that when you deal in large sums of money, you have *got* to have 
accurate information about the guy you're lending it to and what 
are his prospects of ever paying you back.
 
So the intelligence business was not a governmental business; it 
was a banking business. It always *has* been a banking business. 
The CIA, you know, in this country, is called "The Company" 
because they're very heavily into banking and investments. Bill 
Casey was one of the biggest operators on Wall Street -- he was 
head of the CIA.
 
So this... We're talking... When you talk about international 
intelligence and James Bond and "007", you're talking about guys 
who are really working for the bankers.
 
 
VALENTINE:
I... Hold on a minute, John. I'll let you go.
 
But I've heard, Eustace, from a very reliable source (and then 
I've heard from *un*-reliable sources; Gunther Russbacher is an 
unreliable source, but he seconded this motion) that "The 
Company", the Mossad, MI-5 (or what it is), *and* the KGB -- all 
of them are actually in the employ of the banking, of the banking 
community...
 
 
MULLINS:
Sure. And they work together! You know, KGB and CIA were 
supposedly rivals. But, in fact, Kim Philby, of the British 
secret intelligence service, moved to Moscow and became a 
lieutenant-general in the KGB!
 
 
VALENTINE:
Yes. Well he was supposedly one of the most notorious double, or 
triple, agents in history. But I think it's all... I'm with you: 
it's all a scam. The bankers run all three or four units.
 
 
MULLINS:
They certainly do, and they *do* work together. And that's why, 
right now, Bill Clinton is over there in the Middle East at the 
mercy of Mossad. (I don't know if he's got a one-way ticket or 
not. I'm kind of concerned about...)
 
 
VALENTINE:
*I* was concerned about it too, but it doesn't look like it.
 
 
MULLINS:
Apparently not.
 
 
VALENTINE:
John. Anything else?
 
 
JOHN:
..Philby is more honest and more decent than Alger Hiss: he's 
"come clean".
 
Is it true, or is it a coincidence, that [the] Standard Oil 
empire and the influence that they exert have never competed with 
Russian oil?
 
 
MULLINS:
Never. No, they've always worked together.
 
These people at the top level *never* compete with each other. 
It's like, you know, Gimbels and Macys in New York: they know 
what each other's doing, but they don't undercut each other that 
much. [CN -- Also, I have noted the decline in the past 2 or so 
years of the price of video cameras: they used to all start at 
about $1,000; now they all start around $500. I attribute this 
decline in price to a decline in demand. The point is that with 
true competition the price would have gone down much sooner.]
 
 
JOHN:
Great... Great conversation. Have a great day.
 
 
VALENTINE:
Thanks, John. Good questions. I'll tell ya, that's right.
 
It *is* interesting. Now I have said, though, on this air, that 
these people, in the boardroom (I call 'em "the immaculate 
'they'") who run everything in the world today -- the heirs of 
this legacy that you have written about so well -- will, are just 
like other humans: they're going to compete, they're going to 
fight one another, even though they have a tight control. And you 
would disagree with that.
 
 
MULLINS:
Oh no. They have terrible battles among themselves. There's a lot 
of rivalry, a lot of back stabbing. But in the final analysis, 
it's them against you. They will always hold each other up in 
order to keep their control over you and me.
 
 
VALENTINE:
They like to divide the world up: "You get Indo-China and I'll 
take Japan. You get this, and I'll take Arkansas." That kind of 
thing, huh?
 
 
MULLINS:
Oh "Divide and Rule" is the motto of the World Order! How they 
control people.
 
 
VALENTINE:
O.K.
 
Now, it's interesting. The four areas that I've jotted down here, 
after looking at the titles of your books, in which the people 
who want to control the world -- *I* don't have this ambition. I 
don't know if you do or not. But I really wouldn't want to 
control the world if you offered it to me!
 
 
MULLINS:
Most normal, healthy people would not.
 
 
VALENTINE:
O.K. So. The areas that they've gone after, in order of 
importance, appear to be (1) money -- federal reserve, control 
the money, the issue of the money is very important. Right?
 
 
MULLINS:
Yeah, that's why they set up central banks. The first central 
bank, in 1694, was the Bank of England. Which... The stock was 
taken by the royal family of England and the leading dukes of 
England. And they have run that ever since! You've got 300 years 
there.
 
 
VALENTINE:
I heard (and this is one I'll let you comment; you probably 
know), that when William and Mary went back to England -- that's 
when the Bank of England was set up -- they were financed by a 
Holland financier by the name of Suarez(sp?), and he, for his 
backing, they gave him the right to establish a central bank. And 
he used a guy, a Scotsman named Patterson, as a front.
 
 
MULLINS:
Right. William Patterson was a front for the Amsterdam bankers. 
In fact, they ditched Patterson within a few years after they set 
up the Bank of England. He was only with it about 6 years and 
then he was history, he was gone.
 
 
VALENTINE:
Well that was the purpose of having him in there, was to give it 
history so they disguised who really owned it!
 
 
MULLINS:
Oh yeah. But it was the Amsterdam bankers. It was Amsterdam 
bankers who financed William's invasion of England and taking 
over the throne of England by force!
 
 
VALENTINE:
Eustace Mullins, my guest. 1-800-878-8255, the number.
 
I'm Tom Valentine, this is *Radio Free America*.
 
[...break...]
 
All right. I'm just havin' a lot of fun here today. I just blew a 
one-minute spot by comin' off 5 seconds early. But we will get it 
down pat. Someday I'll know how to do this radio business stuff.
 
Anyway, Eustace Mullins is my guest. [...info on how to get 
books...] And *Murder by Injection* is where I'm going next. It's 
a very interesting book. And because of my interest in health, my 
favorite of his many good books. [...info on books and 
upcoming appearances by Eustace Mullins...]
 
Now. Eustace. You have money and the federal reserve and these 
guys behind it. And then there's schools, with your new book on 
the *Education for Slavery*. Then the law and judges, and I 
believe that was in *The Rape of Justice*.
 
 
MULLINS:
Yeah, *The Rape of Justice*. Each one is a separate, monopoly 
study. I became interested in monopolies through the federal 
reserve system. And I realized that because they now had the 
power to print money, since 1913, they were printing the money 
and taking over other areas. So that's why you now have the 
medical monopoly, the American Medical Association, the medical 
trust. You have the legal monopoly, which controls the courts of 
the United States. And when you go into court, you are at their 
mercy because they can do whatever they wish. [CN -- See, for 
example, *Defrauding America* by Rodney Stich.]
 
 
VALENTINE:
Yep. And you've got the school monopoly.
 
 
MULLINS:
And the education monopoly! And they found *that* was the most 
important one of all, because, by training the children to accept 
these other monopolies [and] never question authority. [CN -- 
Also, the media monopoly, e.g. *The Media Monopoly* by Ben 
Bagdikian.] Don't forget, the 14th amendment said, "It's illegal 
to challenge the national debt!"
 
                   [...to be continued...]
 
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