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Date: Thu, 29 Dec 94 15:45:20 CST
From: Brian Redman <bigxc@firefly.prairienet.org>
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Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3 Num. 30


              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3  Num. 30
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")
 
 
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- WHITEWATER UPDATE
 
Tom Valentine's guest on *Radio Free America* (Shortwave, 5.065 
MHz, mon-fri, 9 pm cst) on November 30, 1994 was independent 
researcher and founder of the Citizens Committee to Clean-up the 
Courts [CCCC], Mr. Sherman Skolnick. Note that views expressed in 
the following do not necessarily reflect my own views or those of 
Conspiracy Nation.
 
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[...continued...]
 
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
O.K. But wait a minute.
 
January '94. A senior litigation attorney of the U.S. Small 
Business Administration, in Chicago, a close crony of the Rodham 
family of Park Ridge (a northwest suburb of Chicago. And the 
Rodham family, Hillary's family, is originally from Park Ridge), 
uh he kept following me around the courthouse. I'm a journalist 
and I come often to the courthouse, the state and federal 
courthouse, to watch cases, to interview people, and so on.
 
And I know this lawyer, and he kept, sort of, "dogging me". He'd 
stand near me and make small talk. Most lawyers are afraid of me 
because of our cable TV show here that "fingers" crooked lawyers 
and judges, so most of 'em won't be seen with me at all. But he 
kept standing near me.
 
Anyway, to make a long story short, I ended up with a former 
client of this man, John E. Gierum, of Park Ridge. I ended up 
outside his office in a vehicle. And he sat in the front seat of 
the car, next to me. And he confessed to me that the White House 
was in the works [of] trying to "frame" him on a series of 
situations amounting to millions and millions and millions of 
dollars.
 
And I said, "Well, you're a skilled lawyer." He says, "It won't 
help me." He says, "You'll probably soon get a collect call from 
me from a far-away jail." He says, "If they set about to 'frame' 
me, nothing can help me."
 
And among other things we discussed (as we had discussed 
exclusively on one of your earlier programs), the mysterious 
transfer of $50 million from a Resolution Trust Corporation [RTC] 
contingency fund...
 
 
TOM VALENTINE:
All right, well hold it. $50 million slips away from a 
contingency fund. And we will return to this.
 
My guest is Sherman Skolnick. I'm Tom Valentine, this is *Radio 
Free America*.
 
[...break...]
 
All right, now we're talkin' with Sherman Skolnick. And of course 
we're talking about Bill and Hillary Clinton, and they're, 
they're tangled into Whitewater (which has not been talked about 
much.) And right now, we're going back over old news, building up 
-- I assume, Sherman, we're building up to some new wrinkles on 
this.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Absolutely.
 
 
VALENTINE:
All right now, before we...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
..trying to go about it step by step. I hope I'm not getting too 
technical. I'm trying to summarize some complicated events so 
that...
 
 
VALENTINE:
Well we've got, we've got a listener out here that wants to "give 
you what for" [i.e. challenge what Skolnick says]. She just 
doesn't like this.
 
Lilly, in Picayune, Mississippi. What's the matter with you, 
Lilly?
 
 
LILLY:
Well, not anything except a little bit of honesty. I would like 
for the, whatever his name is, to tell... I would like to ask him 
if he investigated "October Surprise" and Iran-Contra.
 
 
VALENTINE:
*Oh*, he sure did, ma'am.
 
 
LILLY:
Well. What did he come up with?
 
 
VALENTINE:
Oh, tell her what you think of George Bush!
 
 
LILLY:
Pardon me?
 
 
SKOLNICK:
He committed treason, ma'am. On the "October Surprise" and the 
Iran-Contra, as we have discussed on earlier programs with Tom 
Valentine, exclusively, we and associates of ours have been on 
the cutting edge of that. And there's an overlap there: George 
Bush and Ollie North were involved with the cocaine being 
smuggled into Mena, Arkansas airport, under the supervision of 
Governor Clinton.
 
 
LILLY:
Yeah, I know you had to bring up...
 
[...contention for who will speak...]
 
LILLY [continues]:
Hold it just a minute. Bush wasn't President at that time. Reagan 
was. Why is Reagan never mentioned in all this kind of stuff?
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Uh, call up your local "news fakers" [laughs] and ask them!
 
 
LILLY:
Oh you're, you're the one that's on the radio.
 
 
VALENTINE:
Well, Lilly, hold it. Lilly, you see, you're in here two quarts 
low and four years late. But, but Sherman has been taking on... 
Hold it! Hold it.
 
 
LILLY:
..President. He...
 
 
VALENTINE:
Lilly!
 
 
LILLY:
..when this was supposed to have happened.
 
 
VALENTINE:
O.K. But, Lilly. You gotta learn to listen. Even though you're 80 
years old and you're a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat, you gotta learn 
to listen sometimes. *We* *don't* *favor* *either* *one*, the 
Republicans nor the Democrats.
 
 
LILLY:
I know.
 
 
VALENTINE:
And no matter how bad George Bush may be, it doesn't make Bill 
Clinton good.
 
 
LILLY:
No! I know that...
 
 
VALENTINE:
O.K.
 
 
LILLY:
..but...
 
 
VALENTINE:
Thank you, ma'am.
 
[...contention for who will speak...]
 
 
LILLY:
You see, Reagan was the President when all this happened.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
O.K. But ma'am, if you read *Spotlight* you know, to their 
credit, they ran exclusive stories, uncovered by myself, on an 
unpublicized court case here in the federal court showing that 
George Herbert Walker Bush was in business with Saddam Hussein at 
the time that our soldiers were in harms way in the Gulf [see 
Conspiracy Nation Vol. 2 Num. 20]. So to say that we haven't 
outlined a few things... *Spotlight* played it up quite big, as 
well as on *Radio Free America*. So it's been gone into.
 
I would prefer to use this time on the air to set forth, step by 
step, what we are about to summarize here about...
 
 
VALENTINE:
So would I! Lilly, I just want you to listen! You gotta learn to 
listen!
 
 
LILLY:
O.K. Let's hear it.
 
 
VALENTINE:
All right, we will, we will see you later, Lilly. Thank you.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
All right. Now, I hope we haven't digressed too much, but...
 
 
VALENTINE:
Well we have. But we gotta break in a minute or so, then we'll 
come back...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Uh, what I was getting at is, John E. Gierum, an attorney, at one 
time senior litigation attorney for the Small Business 
Administration [SBA], which is *instrumentally* *tied* in those 
things that could put Clinton in jail, and his wife, with this 
whole business that David Hale is, and others, are "fingering" 
the President and, and the current governor of Arkansas, Jim 
"Guy" Tucker.
 
Now. These things... Also, Mr. Gierum supervised this $50 
million, $58 million, RTC contingency fund which disappeared from 
Chicago. And $50 million of it ended up in Little Rock to "make 
good" the $47 million that disappeared at the hands, some 
believe, of Hillary and Bill, from Madison Guaranty Savings and 
Loan. There's...
 
 
VALENTINE:
That's a lot more money than the press has ever talked about. And 
you talked about that on this show.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
More than once.
 
 
VALENTINE:
More than once.
 
All right, so there's a $50 million gambit involved here.
 
We've got a break coming up, Sherman. But we're gonna continue 
with Sherman Skolnick, folks. And we're summarizing now. We'll 
get to the latest developments before we're done.
 
I'm Tom Valentine. This is *Radio Free America*.
 
[...break...]
 
All right, we are back. We have Sherman Skolnick.
 
And Sherman, now we've got a nice good block of time for you to 
go right ahead and get us into the meat of this thing.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
All right. The unofficial office of the Resolution Trust 
Corporation [RTC], which is the S&L bailout group, is really in 
Chicago -- not the one that they list in Kansas City. It's inside 
a law office here: Hopkins and Sutter. They put away a $58 
million contingency fund when they merged Household International 
with a local, defunct S&L, that was "parked" -- that was RTC 
funds, $58 million -- that was "parked" with a, with Household 
International. Because a local contractor [Joseph Andreucetti, 
"The Andreucetti Affair", see Conspiracy Nation Vol. 1 Num. 70] 
had a claim against this defunct S&L. And so, since the claim was 
pending, they put away that money.
 
And Gierum, Gierum supervised that 58 million.
 
Now 50 million, *of* *that*, disappeared, and ended up with RTC, 
Little Rock, to underwrite the 47 million that disappeared 
*there* from Madison Guaranty Savings and Loan, of which a grand 
jury has been investigating and, purportedly, is prepared to 
accuse Bill and Hillary of misfeasance and bank embezzlement.
 
 
VALENTINE:
All right, now you were told this by...
 
 
SKOLNICK:
..this over a year ago, on your show.
 
 
VALENTINE:
I know. You told this to us 'cause Gierum told you. Otherwise, 
nobody would know about it.
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Right! But here's what happened.
 
In January of this year [1994], under the circumstances I told 
you, he kept coming up to me when I came to the courthouse. He'd 
run from the other end of the courthouse, right up to me, and 
stand right next to me and start making small talk! (Which was 
unusual.)
 
 
VALENTINE:
He evidently wanted to tell you somethin'.
 
Now where is he today?
 
 
SKOLNICK:
He is inside of a law office with an un... Get this: a lawyer 
with an unlisted number [laughs]. In Park Ridge.
 
We give out his number, however, though it's not listed. It's 
xxx-xxx-xxxx. He's in Park Ridge.
 
That's strange, for a lawyer to have an unlisted number.
 
 
VALENTINE:
I know. But why would you give out his number? If people would 
call him, what would they ask him? What would he tell 'em?
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Well I give it out, basically, for other journalists.
 
 
VALENTINE:
Uh-huh [understands].
 
 
SKOLNICK:
The details that I'm discussing here...
 
 
VALENTINE:
Does he want to talk about this?
 
 
SKOLNICK:
Well, the popular press didn't go into the details of his 
confession, which I'll get to in a minute.
 
                   [...to be continued...]
 
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