From: R@t 
  
 phil wrote: 
  
 > On the last point, no. Promoters rarely have a say in security at an 
 > established venue. 
 > 
  
 True - nowadays the Councils and Police quite *deliberately* make this a 
 licensing condition as a "divide and rule" tactic to prevent collusion 
 between security staff and promoters. 
  
 Bear in mind that it is easy enough nowadays to get plain clothes Police or 
 Council inspectors into a venue monitoring any "soft" attitude to drug use 
 and reporting back to the licensing committees... 
  
 The rave scenes been around a long time and there are plenty in wider 
 society who do not like this fact and keep the pressure on - TBH I think 
 that "rave-type clubs"  are only *extremely* grudgingly licensed even today 
 as the authorities otherwise fear a greater increase in unlicensed 
 parties.... 
  
 Alex 
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