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 From: lowthor@hotmail.com 
  
 Stephen Wilson wrote: 
 > "The Doctor"  wrote in message 
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 > 
 >>In article , 
 >>Stephen Wilson  wrote: 
 >> 
 >>>"The Doctor"  wrote in message 
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 >>> 
 >>>>In article , 
 >>>>Stephen Wilson  wrote: 
 >>>> 
 >>>>>"Ryan P."  wrote in message 
 >>>>>news:H0Gte.982$H41.25@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>>Stephen Wilson wrote: 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>"Frankymole"  wrote in message 
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 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>Gordon Davie wrote: 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>The Doctor wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>1 -> 2 observed by Ben and Polly 
 >>>>>>>>>>2 -> 3 No one say the regeneration.  We saw the process starting at 
 >>>>>>>>>>      the end of War Games.  Plus that nit in the 5 doctors 
 >>>>>>>>>>3 -> 4 observed by UNIT 
 >>>>>>>>>>4 -> 5 observed by Pharos guards, Nyssa, Tegan and Adric 
 >>>>>>>>>>5 -> 6 observed by Peri 
 >>>>>>>>>>6 -> 7 The Rani spotted it out 
 >>>>>>>>>>7 -> 8 No one, just a probe to prove it 
 >>>>>>>>>>8 -> 9 No one just a statement to prove it 
 >>>>>>>>>>9 -> 10 Witness needed. 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>Well, Rose witnessed that one (I'm aware you haven't seen the 
 >>>>>>>>>episode 
 >>>>>>>>>yet). 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>But how do we know that CE is the *ninth* Doctor? 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>Because they say so on Confidential. 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>That was their opinion. The fact is that we *don't* know CE is the 
 >>>>>>>10th 
 >>>>>>>Doctor. We assume he is. RTD accepts that he is the 9th Doctor - not 
 >>>>>>>because the McGann version regenerated into him but because the 
 >>>>>>>public 
 >>>>>>>and the press have already labelled him as such. 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>Whether our assumptions will ever be confirmed in a future series (it 
 >>>>>>>certainly wasn't in the series that has just ended) remains to be 
 >>>>>>>seen. 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> RTD is the producer... what he says is what is.  For better or for 
 >>>>>>worse. 
 >>>>>>How utterly rediculous would it be if, 10 years from now (thinking 
 >>>>>>positively here) the 12th Doctor is coming to the twilight of his 
 >>>>>>career, 
 >>>>>>and suddenly its revealed that, oops, he was really the 13th Doctor! 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>I think you missed the point. RTD has agreed that Eccleston is the 9th 
 >>>>>Doctor simpy because he is the 9th actor to be associated with the part 
 >>>>>as 
 >>>>>far as the general public is concerned. He has *not* stated, or even 
 >>>>>hinted, 
 >>>>>that the McGann version regenerated into the Eccleston version. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>This being the first series from BBC Wales, Eccleston could in fact be 
 >>>>>the 
 >>>>>1st Doctor. In fact, RTD may decide that the restriction of 12 
 >>>>>regenerations 
 >>>>>is not relevant to his version of Dr Who. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>We as fans of the 'classic' series are making assumptions that this new 
 >>>>>series is simply a continuation of it. In general, RTD is neither 
 >>>>>confirming 
 >>>>>nor denying our assumptions. He's left such things suitably vague. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>ALiens of London:  The Doctor mentions knowing UNIT. 
 >>> 
 >>>And this proves what, exactly? 
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >> 
 >>This is the 9th Doctor at least. 
 > 
 > 
 > And how does it prove that? 
 > 
 > 
  
 Pertwee was the first Doctor to meet UNIT, therefore Ecclestone isn't 
 from before Hartnell. He must then be at least the ninth doctor. 
  
 Sorry for jumping in. 
  
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