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  Msg # 420 of 32031 on ZZUK4449, Friday 2-23-23, 4:10  
  From: DAVID LOWTHER  
  To: IAN SALSBURY  
  Subj: Re: Regenerations  
 XPost: rec.arts.drwho 
 From: lowthor@hotmail.com 
  
 Ian Salsbury wrote: 
 > "David Lowther"  wrote in message 
 > news:d9c93q$t8n$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk... 
 > 
 >>Stephen Wilson wrote: 
 >> 
 >>>"The Doctor"  wrote in message 
 >>>news:d9acp8$hv3$13@gallifrey.nk.ca... 
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>>>In article , 
 >>>>Stephen Wilson  wrote: 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>>"The Doctor"  wrote in message 
 >>>>>news:d97k9r$47c$32@gallifrey.nk.ca... 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>>In article , 
 >>>>>>Stephen Wilson  wrote: 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>"Ryan P."  wrote in message 
 >>>>>>>news:H0Gte.982$H41.25@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>Stephen Wilson wrote: 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>"Frankymole"  wrote in message 
 >>>>>>>>>news:d978fd$vu7$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk... 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>Gordon Davie wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>>The Doctor wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>1 -> 2 observed by Ben and Polly 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>2 -> 3 No one say the regeneration.  We saw the process starting 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>at 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>     the end of War Games.  Plus that nit in the 5 doctors 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>3 -> 4 observed by UNIT 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>4 -> 5 observed by Pharos guards, Nyssa, Tegan and Adric 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>5 -> 6 observed by Peri 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>6 -> 7 The Rani spotted it out 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>7 -> 8 No one, just a probe to prove it 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>8 -> 9 No one just a statement to prove it 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>9 -> 10 Witness needed. 
 >>>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>>Well, Rose witnessed that one (I'm aware you haven't seen the 
 >>>>>>>>>>>episode 
 >>>>>>>>>>>yet). 
 >>>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>>But how do we know that CE is the *ninth* Doctor? 
 >>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>Because they say so on Confidential. 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>That was their opinion. The fact is that we *don't* know CE is the 
 >>>>>>>>>10th 
 >>>>>>>>>Doctor. We assume he is. RTD accepts that he is the 9th Doctor - not 
 >>>>>>>>>because the McGann version regenerated into him but because the 
 >>>>>>>>>public 
 >>>>>>>>>and the press have already labelled him as such. 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>Whether our assumptions will ever be confirmed in a future series 
 >>>>>>>>>(it 
 >>>>>>>>>certainly wasn't in the series that has just ended) remains to be 
 >>>>>>>>>seen. 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>RTD is the producer... what he says is what is.  For better or for 
 >>>>>>>>worse. 
 >>>>>>>>How utterly rediculous would it be if, 10 years from now (thinking 
 >>>>>>>>positively here) the 12th Doctor is coming to the twilight of his 
 >>>>>>>>career, 
 >>>>>>>>and suddenly its revealed that, oops, he was really the 13th Doctor! 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>I think you missed the point. RTD has agreed that Eccleston is the 9th 
 >>>>>>>Doctor simpy because he is the 9th actor to be associated with the 
 >>>>>>>part as 
 >>>>>>>far as the general public is concerned. He has *not* stated, or even 
 >>>>>>>hinted, 
 >>>>>>>that the McGann version regenerated into the Eccleston version. 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>This being the first series from BBC Wales, Eccleston could in fact be 
 >>>>>>>the 
 >>>>>>>1st Doctor. In fact, RTD may decide that the restriction of 12 
 >>>>>>>regenerations 
 >>>>>>>is not relevant to his version of Dr Who. 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>We as fans of the 'classic' series are making assumptions that this 
 >>>>>>>new 
 >>>>>>>series is simply a continuation of it. In general, RTD is neither 
 >>>>>>>confirming 
 >>>>>>>nor denying our assumptions. He's left such things suitably vague. 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>>ALiens of London:  The Doctor mentions knowing UNIT. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>And this proves what, exactly? 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>This is the 9th Doctor at least. 
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>>And how does it prove that? 
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >> 
 >>Pertwee was the first Doctor to meet UNIT, therefore Ecclestone isn't from 
 >>before Hartnell. He must then be at least the ninth doctor. 
 > 
 > 
 > Troughton met UNIT in The Invasion. IIRC although the Brig was in The Web 
 of 
 > Fear he wasn`t in UNIT yet. Either way, UNIT were definately pre Pertwee. 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 My mistake, but the point stands. I didn't see alot of the stuff pre 
 pertwee. 
  
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