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 From: Ian@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk 
  
 "The Doctor"  wrote in message 
 news:d9bloj$a9o$17@gallifrey.nk.ca... 
 > In article <42b94be3$0$295$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>, 
 > FairPlay  wrote: 
 >> 
 >>"The Doctor"  wrote in message 
 >>news:d9acmd$hv3$10@gallifrey.nk.ca... 
 >>> In article , 
 >>> Ian Salsbury  wrote: 
 >>> > 
 >>> >"FairPlay"  wrote in message 
 >>> >news:42b844da$0$290$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com... 
 >>> >> 
 >>> >> "The Doctor"  wrote in message 
 >>> >> news:d99cv9$ppi$4@gallifrey.nk.ca... 
 >>> >>> In article <42b80cf8$0$304$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>, 
 >>> >>> FairPlay  wrote: 
 >>> >>> > 
 >>> >>> >"The Doctor"  wrote in message 
 >>> >>> >news:d98vnj$g4a$16@gallifrey.nk.ca... 
 >>> >>> >> In article , 
 >>> >>> >> Ian Salsbury  wrote: 
 >>> >>> >> >>>> Still, do you rate RTD's participation in DW as good as 
 >>> >>> >> >>>> a producer's stint in the BBC Jerry Springer opera? 
 >>> >>> >> >>>> 
 >>> >>> >> >>> 
 >>> >>> >> >>>Eh? 
 >>> >>> >> >>> 
 >>> >>> >> >>> 
 >>> >>> >> >>> 
 >>> >>> >> >>> 
 >>> >>> >> >> 
 >>> >>> >> >> Repeat, do you think RTD's participation is as good as the 
 >>producer 
 >>> >>> >> >> who made the Jerry Springer Opera the BBC was about to air? 
 >>> >>> >> > 
 >>> >>> >> >I can`t see what your`re on about here still. The Jerry Springer 
 >>> >>> >> >Opera 
 >>> >>> >was 
 >>> >>> >> >aired in the BBC, got about 3 or 4 million viewers, generally 
 >>> >>> >> >very 
 >>> >>> >positive 
 >>> >>> >> >reviews ( it had been a hugely successful west end production ) 
 >>and a 
 >>> >> few 
 >>> >>> >> >hundred religious nutters threw their toys out of the pram. The 
 >>vast 
 >>> >>> >> >majority of people saw no reason to be offended by it 
 >>> >>> >> >whatsoever. 
 >>> >> Exactly 
 >>> >>> >> >what this has to do with RTD`s involvement in Dr Who is beyond 
 >>> >>> >> >me. 
 >>> >>> >> >The 
 >>> >>> >> >public reaction to Dr Who has been overwhelmingly positive, a 
 >>> >>> >> >few 
 >>> >> people 
 >>> >>> >> >have complained it was too scary for the timeslot ( just like 
 >>> >>> >> >the 
 >>> >>> >> >good 
 >>> >>> >old 
 >>> >>> >> >days! ) but that was about it. 
 >>> >>> >> > 
 >>> >>> >> > 
 >>> >>> >> > 
 >>> >>> >> 
 >>> >>> >> Still let us help FP.  The Christians were rotesting 
 >>> >>> >> against  the defamation of religion, namely 
 >>> >>> >> Chritstianity. 
 >>> >>> >> 
 >>> >>> >> I wonder if FP would equate RTD to such a producer. 
 >>> >>> > 
 >>> >>> > 
 >>> >>> >No. 
 >>> >>> > 
 >>> >>> > 
 >>> >>> 
 >>> >>> Why?  AFAIK, the vility in JS is as bad as the innuendo in this 
 >>season's 
 >>> >> DW. 
 >>> >> 
 >>> >> I think you have missed one of the fundamental reasons for my 
 >>objections. 
 >>> >> Even though I have repeatedly laboured it. 
 >>> >> 
 >>> >> The queer/adult stuff bothers me not at all in and of itself. 
 >>> >> 
 >>> >> It is the fact that he has hijacked a childrens programme to promote 
 >>his 
 >>> >> propaganda. 
 >>> >> 
 >>> >> Geddit? 
 >>> >> 
 >>> >> Do I care how many times !@#$ is said in an production exclusively 
 >>aimed 
 >>> >> at 
 >>> >> adults? 
 >>> >> No. 
 >>> > 
 >>> >Well, I would agree with you if I thought that Dr Who HAD been hijacked 
 >>to 
 >>> >promote homosexuality. If there were scenes or character`s that were 
 >>> >actively preaching to the audience that they should become gay than I 
 >>would 
 >>> >understand your point. But to have a character that was clearly gay but 
 >>> >otherwise perfectly "normal" - what`s the problem? At the end of the 
 >>> >day 
 >>> >someone is either gay or they`re not. Someone could blabber on all day 
 >>about 
 >>> >the joys and wonder`s of sleeping with another man but at the end of it 
 >>all 
 >>> >I still wouldn`t fancy another man`s naked arse. This "promote his 
 >>> >propaganda" line you keep using is laughable. 
 >>> > 
 >>> > 
 >>> > 
 >>> 
 >>> And FP is inconsistent. 
 >> 
 >> 
 >>No I'm not. 
 >> 
 >> 
 > 
 > Afraid so.  You tolerate swearing but not innuendo.  To me, RTD would be 
 > just 
 > as good as a producer forthe Jerry Springer opera. 
  
 Bollocks, I`m going to have to stick up for FP here! He said he tolerated 
 swearing in a programme intended for adults but does not like homosexuality 
 shown in a children`s ( eg.Dr Who ) programme. If the homosexuality shown in 
 Who had been overtly done I`d agree, but just having a bisexual character 
 and showing him to be otherwise a nice and normal chap is not a problem in 
 my eyes. And that kiss, as has been  mentioned, was hardly a sexual one. If 
 Jack had ripped the Doctor`s trousers down and prompty buggered him over the 
 TARDIS console I`d be up in arms alongside FP, but there has been nothing of 
 the sort. As for that Jerry Springer business, get over it Dave. It was only 
 offensive to small minded fools, you even said yourself you`d never seen it. 
 It was shown way past the watershed and came with warnings that those easily 
 offended may not like what they see. RTD has done nothing IMO that should 
 cause offence within this series, and judging by the lack of any sort of 
 outcry from the media it seems the public agree. 
  
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