XPost: rec.arts.drwho 
 From: doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca 
  
 In article <1119381454.987516.180880@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, 
   wrote: 
 >John Russell wrote: 
 >> "greenyammo"  wrote in message 
 >> news:csxte.15850$Vo6.13634@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk... 
 >> > L. Ross Raszewski wrote: 
 >> >> On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:27:34 GMT, greenyammo 
 >> >>  wrote: 
 >> >>>The Doctor wrote: 
 >> >>> 
 >> >>> 
 >> >>>>In article , 
 >> >>>>Slitheen  wrote: 
 >> >>>> 
 >> >>>> 
 >> >>>>>"The Doctor"  wrote in message 
 >> >>>>>news:d94l7n$sqg$21@gallifrey.nk.ca... 
 >> >>>>> 
 >> >>>>> 
 >> >>>>>>In article , 
 >> >>>>>>Jeremiah Harbottle  wrote: 
 >> >>>>>> 
 >> >>>>>> 
 >> >>>>>>>>Apprentice, Big Brother and American Idol.  Here in the UK it's 
 >> >>>>>>>>soaps 
 >> >>>>>>>>which 
 >> >>>>>>> 
 >> >>>>>>>Now that'd be a good sight: 
 >> >>>>>>> 
 >> >>>>>>>AMS: "RTD, You're fired." 
 >> >>>>>>> 
 >> >>>>>>> 
 >> >>>>>> 
 >> >>>>>>Who gets his job? 
 >> >>>>>>-- 
 >> >>>>>> 
 >> >>>>> 
 >> >>>>>His job aint on offer. A few moaning minnies who can't spot good sci- 
 fi 
 >> >>>>>TV when they see it aren't going to push him out of a well deserved, 
 >> >>>>>well performed job. :) 
 >> >>>>> 
 >> >>>> 
 >> >>>> 
 >> >>>>RTD could be an ego threat to the show if one is not careful. 
 >> >>> 
 >> >>> 
 >> >>>I agree. He's already said that he's only going off-world twice in the 
 >> >>>new series because staying on planet earth "works". This is lazy, just 
 >> >>>because something works it doesn't mean you stick with it. The series 
 >> >>>could run it's self into the ground if he sits on his laurels. 
 >> >>>RTD scripts always tend to draw out sequences rather than pack the 
 >> >>>episodes with invention and plot. An example: in the final episode  he 
 >> >>>spent a very long section of the story devoted to getting that panel 
 >> >>>pulled off the Tardis when Rose could have just walked in and opened it 
 >> >>>after her "eureka" moment. There was no time limit to this so there was 
 >> >>>no reason to hurry, the sequence wasn't exciting or funny...but.. there 
 >> >>>was a spaceship FULL of thousand's of Dalek's over in the other story. 
 >> >>> 
 >> >>>What would you rather be watching? 
 >> >>> 
 >> >>> 
 >> >>> 
 >> >> 
 >> >> 
 >> >> Hm...  A big CGI Dalek armada shooting things, or the resolution to 
 >> >> Jackie and Mickey's character arcs, culminating in Rose's revelation 
 >> >> to her mother about her dad and Jackie's final decision to help Rose 
 >> >> even though it means losing her, in all likelihood forever?  Hm... 
 >> >> Mindless action sequence...  Character building and growth... This is 
 >> >> a tough one... 
 >> > 
 >> > 
 >> > Doesn't have to be mindless does it though does it? Is anybody out there 
 >> > actually interested in Mickey and Rose's mum? Is that why we tune in 
 every 
 >> > week? Eastenders does this sort of thing on a far superior level. 
 >> > 
 >> > It wasn't the character work or story arc I was complaining about. It 
 was 
 >> > the method and delivery of those plot strands and the length RTD takes 
 to 
 >> > draw these scenes out. These scenes could have been dealt with in 
 another 
 >> > manner entirely and still made room for more sci-fi. 
 >> > Let's not go overboard either, RTD writing is not Shakespeare. Trying to 
 >> > wring emotional scenes out of cardboard characters is not necessarily a 
 >> > good thing. 
 >> > 
 >> > 
 >> 
 >> So didn't you care how companions felt when their time with the Dr ended? 
 >> Drama is all about human emotion, i.e feelings. 
 >> Sc-fi is not a type of story, it's only a style of presentation. 
 > 
 >I thought Dr Who was premised on a guy who can travel in time and space 
 >to have interesting Sci-Fi/horror/mystery adventures. Who cares about 
 >Rose's relationship with her mother and boyfriend, if we want dreary 
 >drama about Londoners there's DeadEnders to watch instead. Some of it 
 >was so mundane, even Jackie's reaction to knowing that Rose is off time 
 >travelling with the Doctor seemed no more awed than if Rose was simply 
 >being taken away to Skegness with a stranger for months at a time. 
 > 
 >It's not that RTD is a bad writer per se, but he's unsuited to writing 
 >for Dr Who - he hasn't got sufficient imagination or plotting skills 
 >for it. Most of his episodes have been poorly plotted (the Bad Wolf 
 >denoument was dopey) and too self-aware - all the media/political 
 >references and pushing the gay/bisexual angle. Heck, RTD even 
 >complained that the BBC cut a scene of Jack's arse, but what does a 
 >programme like DW need to be showing anyone's arse for?! 
 > 
 >At least there are only 5 episodes in the next series written by RTD, 
 >and hopefully even less in the third series. 
 > 
  
 And hopefully less innuendo! 
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