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 On 2025-08-24, Jethro_uk  wrote: 
 > On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 15:46:14 +0000, Owen Rees wrote: 
 >> Jethro_uk  wrote: 
 >>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 12:45:20 +0000, Jon Ribbens wrote: 
 >>>> On 2025-08-24, Jethro_uk  wrote: 
 >>>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 11:58:23 +0100, Max Demian wrote: 
 >>>>>> On 23/08/2025 12:08, Jethro_uk wrote: 
 >>>>>>> On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 11:02:39 +0000, Jon Ribbens wrote: 
 >>>>>>>> Nowadays, processors contain hardware to generate truly random 
 >>>>>>>> numbers 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> But do they ? 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> Answer came there none. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> Huh ? 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>> Surely there would have to be specialist hardware to do this. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> Not following. Sorry. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> I think Max has misunderstood your question. You were suggesting that 
 >>>> the feature might be nobbled by spooks, he seems to think it might not 
 >>>> exist at all and just be a complete lie and be psuedorandom numbers. 
 >>> 
 >>> I wasn't suggesting any nobbling by anyone. I was merely noting that I 
 >>> had no good reason to believe what *other people* tell me about 
 >>> something as abstruse and complex as the science of random numbers. 
 >>> 
 >>> Especially if I am being asked to rely on it. 
 >>> 
 >>>> Your question is sensible, albeit hardly original. His question is 
 >>>> ridiculous. Yes, the processors do contain specialist hardware to 
 >>>> generate the truly random numbers. No, it is not all a lie. Is it 
 >>>> nobbled by the NSA? It's impossible to say. 
 >>> 
 >>> I'll ask again - but not because I wear a tinfoil hat. 
 >>> 
 >>> How do we *know* these numbers are random ? 
 >> 
 >> You would need to establish that all the components of the system you 
 >> are using are resistant to a supply chain attack. That is not a 
 >> realistic option for those with less than the resources of the security 
 >> service of an advanced nation state. 
 > 
 > Which was what I was saying (what seems like) years ago. 
 > 
 > By all means use encryption. But don't be surprised it it isn't as secure 
 > as you thought. 
  
 I'm not sure who has expressed any contrary opinion that you're 
 therefore telling this to. If anything you appear to be trying to 
 arrange an egg-sucking class for a bunch of grandmothers. 
  
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