From: jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu 
  
 On 2025-08-27, Spike  wrote: 
 > Jon Ribbens  wrote: 
 >> On 2025-08-25, Spike  wrote: 
 >>> Jon Ribbens  wrote: 
 >>>> On 2025-08-25, Spike  wrote: 
 >>>>> Jon Ribbens  wrote: 
 >>>>>> On 2025-08-24, Spike  wrote: 
 >>>>>>> Jon Ribbens  wrote: 
 >>>>>>>> On 2025-08-24, Spike  wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>> Jon Ribbens  wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>>> On 2025-08-24, Spike  wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>>>> Jethro_uk  wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 12:51:33 +0100, JNugent wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>> [€€€] 
 >>>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Good. Otherwise, in order to be consistent, you'd have had to 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>> go about removing the "Palestinian" flags said to be on 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>> display from some streetlamp standards. 
 >>>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> You are aware that the flag of the Feast of St. George - a 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> Palestinian celebration - is also the St. Georges flag ? 
 >>>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>> AI returned this quoted below, it doesn€€€t mention Palestine: 
 >>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>> So what? AI is of no use whatsoever except perhaps to suggest 
 sources 
 >>>>>>>>>> to go look at, provided that you don't mind it will sometimes 
 suggest 
 >>>>>>>>>> sources that it made up. 
 >>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>> Details of the life of St George are unclear, but some sources say 
 that 
 >>>>>>>>>> his mother was from Syria Palaestina, and that he lived and died 
 there. 
 >>>>>>>>>> So it would seem pretty reasonable to describe him as Palestinian. 
 >>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>> If you really like AI though, if you ask Google "Was St George 
 >>>>>>>>>> Palestinian?" its AI's answer begins "Yes". 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> AI, when asked the birthplace of St George without suggesting a 
 place: 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> €€€St. George is traditionally believed to have been born in 
 Cappadocia, a 
 >>>>>>>>> region in modern-day Turkey. His birth is often dated to the late 
 3rd 
 >>>>>>>>> century AD. While specific details about his early life are scarce 
 and 
 >>>>>>>>> often shrouded in legend, Cappadocia is recognized as his 
 birthplace 
 in 
 >>>>>>>>> many hagiographies and Christian traditions.€€€ 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> Cappadocia is a long way from Palestine. 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> I didn't say he was born there. I said his mother was from there and 
 >>>>>>>> that he lived and died there. 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> Here we go again€€€ 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> You said, already quoted above, €€€Details of the life of St George 
 are 
 >>>>>>> unclear, but some sources say that his mother was from Syria 
 Palaestina, 
 >>>>>>> and that he lived and died there. So it would seem pretty reasonable 
 to 
 >>>>>>> describe him as Palestinian.€€€ 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> So apart from a possible family connection and the loss of his head 
 there, 
 >>>>>>> you couldn€€€t justifiably say St George was Palestinian in any way, 
 shape, 
 >>>>>>> or form. 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> Well, except for the minor ways, shapes, and forms that one of his 
 >>>>>> parents was Palestinian and he lived there for most of his life and 
 >>>>>> he was martyred there. Even with modern standards of citizenship, 
 >>>>>> he would be Palestinian twice over (by blood and by long residence). 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> €€€and Cappadocian by birth. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> I can see why those wishing to trash St George€€€s substantial 
 Cappadocian 
 >>>>> heritage grasp at €€€long residence€€€ (undefined) in Palestinia as a 
 reason to 
 >>>>> claim he was Palestinian, but by the same token his long service in the 
 >>>>> Roman Army, later as a member of the elite Praetorian Guard, didn€€€t 
 make 
 >>>>> him Roman. 
 >>> 
 >>>> Is the person who wants to "trash" his "Cappadocian heritage" in the 
 >>>> room with us now? 
 >>> 
 >>>>> And on the matter of his parentage, his father Gerontius was a Roman 
 Army 
 >>>>> officer of Cappadocian Greek descent. 
 >>> 
 >>>>> So, being born in Cappadocia of a Cappadocian father, St George would 
 be 
 >>>>> Cappadocian twice over, by blood and birth. This would, of course, 
 trump 
 >>>>> the more tenuous €€€blood and residence€€€ connection. 
 >>> 
 >>>> That's not how any of this works. If you are two things at once, one 
 >>>> doesn't "trump" the other, you remain two things. 
 >>> 
 >>> Was that the law in Cappadocia in 300AD? 
 >>> 
 >>>> Why you're twisting 
 >>>> about desperately trying to deny the fact that he would appear to have 
 >>>> been both Cappadocian and Palestinian is beyond me. 
 >>> 
 >>> Well, if nothing else at least Cappadocia has now turned up to provide a 
 >>> previously-unmentioned if not swept-aside state of affairs. 
 > 
 >> You were doubting if he was Palestinian. When it was shown that he was, 
 >> you decided to bring up the irrelevant subject of Cappadocia in a futile 
 >> attempt to distract from the actual topic. 
 > 
 > Cappadocia is only irrelevant to those who, for whatever reason, want St 
 > George to be from  €€€Palestinia€€€ (a province created by the Romans in 
 which 
 > to put the - to the Romans - troublesome Jews) instead of his birthplace in 
 > Cappadocia. 
 > 
 > Just think what that implies. 
  
 It implies that you can't argue against the claim made so are inventing 
 your own strawman instead. 
  
 > And so far no-one has put forward any reasonable grounds for St George 
 > being €€€Palestinian€€€. 
  
 Everybody reading this thread knows that is false so it's a very 
 strange thing to say. 
  
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