From: the_todal@icloud.com 
  
 On 11/09/2025 21:30, Pamela wrote: 
 > On 11:24  11 Sep 2025, kat said: 
 >> On 09/09/2025 11:29, The Todal wrote: 
 >>> On 09/09/2025 10:50, kat wrote: 
 >>>> On 09/09/2025 09:16, The Todal wrote: 
 >>>>> On 08/09/2025 18:08, Pamela wrote: 
 >>>>>> On 18:32€€ 6 Sep 2025, The Todal said: 
 >>>>>>> On 06/09/2025 17:06, Pamela wrote: 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> [SNIP] 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> It's not to do with appearance but biology and genetics. You 
 >>>>>>>> knew that this before you made that lurid comment. 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> It's all to do with appearance, as a moment's thought would tell 
 >>>>>>> you. Do try to think it through, will you? 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> "It's all to do with appearance" helps me to better understand 
 >>>>>> your stance on trans matters. Appearance is irrelevant, except 
 >>>>>> perhaps to vain transvestites. Having lipstick on a pig doesn't 
 >>>>>> change that fact it's a pig. 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> Your passion about trans matters outweighs the logic I had hoped 
 >>>>>> for. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> Once again you comprehensively miss the point about how trans 
 >>>>> women are identified and made unwelcome. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> I believe you mean how you, personally, identify them, by 
 >>>> appearance and therefore everyone does, and it includes butch 
 >>>> looking females.€€ And maybe there are others who do the sme, but 
 >>>> there is more to it, their behaviour for example. Not easy to put 
 >>>> into words but there are signs that can be picked up upon. 
 >>> 
 >>> Not easy to put into words? 
 >>> 
 >>> I think you should concede that you adopt stereotypes of women's 
 >>> appearance, behaviour, reactions to being challenged. And that faced 
 >>> with a person in a public toilet it is possible that you would cause 
 >>> offence by labelling them as a trans person when actually they 
 >>> aren't, as per the examples I cited through the links I quoted. 
 >> 
 >> Why should I concede to something I have never felt, or done? 
 >> 
 >> I recall one woman assistant I saw working, often enough, in a local 
 >> library, with facial hair, enough that one might query it, but she 
 >> was quite clearly female. > 
 >>> Or maybe you believe in supernatural skills, in some form of 
 >>> intuition, that enables a decent godfearing woman to detect the 
 >>> presence of an imposter who shouldn't be there. 
 >>> 
 >> 
 >> I don't think that intuition is supernatural, but I would prefer to 
 >> call it instinct. It has nothing to do with stereotyping. I know 
 >> plenty women, many do not fit stereotypes. 
 >> 
 >> It works another way as well - instinct can tell a woman if she is 
 >> safe, or not, with a particular male, in any situation. 
 >> 
 >>    >> 
 >>>>  €€€€> 
 >>>>> Perhaps your attitude is typical of "the women who won't wheesht", 
 >>>>> the ghastly old biddies of Scotland who see it as their life's 
 >>>>> work to divide and conquer. I no longer look for any logic in your 
 >>>>> responses. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> The divide and conquer lot are those who say all men who decide to 
 >>>> be a woman today can go into female spaces.€€ They want to conquer 
 >>>> women. > 
 >>>>> But you have avoided offering any reply to my suggestion that you 
 >>>>> might yourself be a man, masquerading as a woman. Too awkward? 
 >>>>> 
 >>>> Does anyone really care? 
 >>>> 
 >>> 
 >>> If nobody cares, why worry about a person with male genitalia 
 >>> (concealed from view) using a women's toilet and posing no threat to 
 >>> anyone? 
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >> Tell me, is this group a designated female only space?  Am I, a 
 >> female, at physical risk from male bodies, however they identify, 
 >> while here? I repeat, who really cares if Pamela is a man - or a 
 >> woman? 
 >> 
 > 
 > The only person who should care is me. Not nosy men. 
 > 
  
 But why would a man impersonate a woman in these newsgroups? What's the 
 motive, other than to be trusted and accepted as a woman and to be 
 regarded as an authority on women's issues? 
  
 Far more important than whether you can piss or shit in a private 
 cubicle in a female lavatory. 
  
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