From: hex@unseen.ac.am 
  
 On 30/08/2025 15:11, Roger Hayter wrote: 
 > On 30 Aug 2025 at 09:47:32 BST, "Spike"  wrote: 
  
 >> The Bell Hotel resident interviewed in the programme mentioned is not a 
 >> refugee/Asylum-seeker, according to the UN Refugee Convention. That says 
 >> that any refugee "who, coming directly from a territory where their life 
 or 
 >> freedom was threatened in the sense of Article 1, enter or are present in 
 >> their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves 
 >> without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal 
 >> entry or presence". 
 >> 
 >> The young man did not €€€€€€come directly from a territory where his life 
 or 
 >> freedom was threatened€€€ in any EU country. He does not claim AFAIAA to 
 have 
 >> sought Asylum in Turkey. He does not claim to have been threatened in 
 >> Turkey. 
 >> 
 >> He then went to Greece and sought Asylum there. The Greeks, correctly 
 >> following the requirements of the said Convention, turned him down 
 >> doubtless because he failed two of the Convention€€€s requirements, namely 
 he 
 >> didn€€€t come from somewhere where he was threatened, and he didn€€€t come 
 >> there directly. 
 >> 
 >> He then went to Austria, voluntarily (because he did not claim to have 
 been 
 >> forced to do so) where he stayed for two years. His application was turned 
 >> down, probably because he didn€€€t satisfy the Convention requirements on 
 the 
 >> grounds mentioned. 
 >> 
 >> Ditto Germany, where he did not claim to have been forced to go. 
 >> 
 >> He gave up on Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium, and France, seemingly 
 >> because he now finally realised that he did not meet the requirements of 
 >> the Convention and wasn€€€t going to get Asylum. 
 >> 
 >> So he paid €€€1000 to criminals to get on a rubber boat and come to 
 England, 
 >> where, of course, he still does not meet the requirements of the 
 Convention 
 >> for Asylum. 
 >> 
 >> That makes him a migrant, and because he is now getting feather-bedded 
 >> treatment and is given money to spend, that makes him an economic migrant. 
 >> 
 >> Is that clear enough for you? 
 > 
 > Clear but not in accordance with the law. For reasons freqently rehearsed 
 in 
 > this group and elsewhere.  You have no doubt correctly stated what you 
 would 
 > like the law to be. 
  
 With which it seems more and more people are coming to agree, including 
 various former home secretaries and the current considerable leaders in 
 the opinion polls. 
  
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