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 Jon Ribbens  wrote: 
 > On 2025-08-25, Spike  wrote: 
 >> Jon Ribbens  wrote: 
 >>> On 2025-08-25, Spike  wrote: 
 >>>> Jon Ribbens  wrote: 
 >>>>> On 2025-08-24, Spike  wrote: 
 >>>>>> Jon Ribbens  wrote: 
 >>>>>>> On 2025-08-24, Spike  wrote: 
 >>>>>>>> Jon Ribbens  wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>> On 2025-08-24, Spike  wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>>> Jethro_uk  wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 12:51:33 +0100, JNugent wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>> [€€€] 
 >>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> Good. Otherwise, in order to be consistent, you'd have had to 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> go about removing the "Palestinian" flags said to be on 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> display from some streetlamp standards. 
 >>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>> You are aware that the flag of the Feast of St. George - a 
 >>>>>>>>>>> Palestinian celebration - is also the St. Georges flag ? 
 >>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>> AI returned this quoted below, it doesn€€€t mention Palestine: 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> So what? AI is of no use whatsoever except perhaps to suggest 
 sources 
 >>>>>>>>> to go look at, provided that you don't mind it will sometimes 
 suggest 
 >>>>>>>>> sources that it made up. 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> Details of the life of St George are unclear, but some sources say 
 that 
 >>>>>>>>> his mother was from Syria Palaestina, and that he lived and died 
 there. 
 >>>>>>>>> So it would seem pretty reasonable to describe him as Palestinian. 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> If you really like AI though, if you ask Google "Was St George 
 >>>>>>>>> Palestinian?" its AI's answer begins "Yes". 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> AI, when asked the birthplace of St George without suggesting a 
 place: 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> €€€St. George is traditionally believed to have been born in 
 Cappadocia, a 
 >>>>>>>> region in modern-day Turkey. His birth is often dated to the late 
 3rd 
 >>>>>>>> century AD. While specific details about his early life are scarce 
 and 
 >>>>>>>> often shrouded in legend, Cappadocia is recognized as his birthplace 
 in 
 >>>>>>>> many hagiographies and Christian traditions.€€€ 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> Cappadocia is a long way from Palestine. 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> I didn't say he was born there. I said his mother was from there and 
 >>>>>>> that he lived and died there. 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> Here we go again€€€ 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> You said, already quoted above, €€€Details of the life of St George 
 are 
 >>>>>> unclear, but some sources say that his mother was from Syria 
 Palaestina, 
 >>>>>> and that he lived and died there. So it would seem pretty reasonable 
 to 
 >>>>>> describe him as Palestinian.€€€ 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> So apart from a possible family connection and the loss of his head 
 there, 
 >>>>>> you couldn€€€t justifiably say St George was Palestinian in any way, 
 shape, 
 >>>>>> or form. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> Well, except for the minor ways, shapes, and forms that one of his 
 >>>>> parents was Palestinian and he lived there for most of his life and 
 >>>>> he was martyred there. Even with modern standards of citizenship, 
 >>>>> he would be Palestinian twice over (by blood and by long residence). 
 >>>> 
 >>>> €€€and Cappadocian by birth. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> I can see why those wishing to trash St George€€€s substantial 
 Cappadocian 
 >>>> heritage grasp at €€€long residence€€€ (undefined) in Palestinia as a 
 reason to 
 >>>> claim he was Palestinian, but by the same token his long service in the 
 >>>> Roman Army, later as a member of the elite Praetorian Guard, didn€€€t 
 make 
 >>>> him Roman. 
 >> 
 >>> Is the person who wants to "trash" his "Cappadocian heritage" in the 
 >>> room with us now? 
 >> 
 >>>> And on the matter of his parentage, his father Gerontius was a Roman 
 Army 
 >>>> officer of Cappadocian Greek descent. 
 >> 
 >>>> So, being born in Cappadocia of a Cappadocian father, St George would be 
 >>>> Cappadocian twice over, by blood and birth. This would, of course, trump 
 >>>> the more tenuous €€€blood and residence€€€ connection. 
 >> 
 >>> That's not how any of this works. If you are two things at once, one 
 >>> doesn't "trump" the other, you remain two things. 
 >> 
 >> Was that the law in Cappadocia in 300AD? 
 >> 
 >>> Why you're twisting 
 >>> about desperately trying to deny the fact that he would appear to have 
 >>> been both Cappadocian and Palestinian is beyond me. 
 >> 
 >> Well, if nothing else at least Cappadocia has now turned up to provide a 
 >> previously-unmentioned if not swept-aside state of affairs. 
  
  
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