From: JNugent73@mail.com 
  
 On 21/08/2025 02:59 PM, Max Demian wrote: 
  
 > On 21/08/2025 00:49, JNugent wrote: 
 >> On 20/08/2025 04:24 PM, RJH wrote: 
 >>> On 20 Aug 2025 at 14:51:49 BST, JNugent wrote: 
 >>>> On 20/08/2025 07:47 AM, RJH wrote: 
 > 
 >>>>> I'm not sure of your question. Not word meanings, surely? Perhaps 
 >>>>> what each  means in practice? 
 > 
 >>>> Distilled: 
 >>>> What would need to be done (as opposed to just being said)? 
 >>>> How much more would it cost the taxpayer? 
 > 
 >>>>> On the matter of cost, the answer is almost always 'less than at 
 >>>>> present'. Bit like decent housing and healthcare, proper investment 
 >>>>> will generally yield huge economic (and social) gains. 
 > 
 >>>> So some people say. 
 > 
 >>>>> I've provided some links to explain and support each feature upthread. 
 >>>>> If it's word meanings you're after, perhaps start with a dictionary? 
 > 
 >>>> How about continuing with an answer? Because despite my distilling the 
 >>>> question(s) above, the meaning was very clear already. 
 > 
 >>> That doesn't feel like a good use of my time. I've given you some 
 >>> links to research on the subject. If after you've read around the 
 >>> subject, by all means ask and I'll see if I can answer anything specific. 
 > 
 >> So you can reasonably be assumed not to know what would be involved, 
 >> or its cost. 
 > 
 >> Nothing wrong with that as such, but it simply emphasises that 
 >> "rehabilitation", "re-integration" and similar words are only words. 
 > 
 > If you desperately want (or need) to do something that's against the 
 > law, no amount of rehabilitation will do any good. 
  
 That's sort of my thought on it, too. "Rehabilitation" is a word used to 
 describe the observed change in behaviour by an offender who was not 
 really into a life of crime in the first place (bad company, for 
 instance) and could have been predicted to get back to normal pretty 
 soon in the normal course of events. 
  
 Outlier cases such as John McVicar serve to mislead as to what is 
 possible at scale. 
  
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