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 On 12:25  4 Sep 2025, Spike said: 
 > Roger Hayter  wrote: 
 >> On 3 Sep 2025 at 22:31:58 BST, "Spike"  wrote: 
 >>> Roger Hayter  wrote: 
 >>>> On 3 Sep 2025 at 15:39:08 BST, "JNugent"  
 >>>> wrote: 
 >>>>> On 02/09/2025 07:43 PM, RJH wrote: 
 >>>>>> On 2 Sep 2025 at 14:45:40 BST, Spike wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>> Women and girls face a far greater risk in their own homes 
 >>>>>>>>>> and the spaces they share with their own family, and social 
 >>>>>>>>>> and work networks. 
 >>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>> Do you seriously believe the Epping protesters don't know 
 >>>>>>>>>> that? 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> This sounds very much like the disgraceful €It€s only a 
 >>>>>>>>> handful, why does it matter?€ mantra. 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> It can sound however you want it to sound. Do you happen to 
 >>>>>>>> know the answer to the question? 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> Do you? All you have done is made an irrelevant assertion about 
 >>>>>>> VAWG by trying to deflect the concerns expressed by the women 
 >>>>>>> and girls of Epping regarding unwanted sexual advances in 
 >>>>>>> public places, by referring to violence expressed elsewhere. 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> Of course I know - as I suspect the hotel Epping lot know. Women 
 >>>>>> and girls face a far greater risk in their own homes and the 
 >>>>>> spaces they share with their own family, and social and work 
 >>>>>> networks. 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> Which begs the question - why are they protesting outside 
 >>>>>> hotels? 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> And waving a placard expressing their concerns doesn€t make 
 >>>>>>> them Nazis or racists, despite the best efforts of the 
 >>>>>>> bussed-in agitators. 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> Women and girls should be safe on our streets, rather than 
 >>>>>>>>> touched up and asked to make babies as had been mentioned in 
 >>>>>>>>> court in a recent case. 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> Two things. One, generalising from the particular. Do you do 
 >>>>>>>> that often? 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> Second, 'mentioned in court'. Do you take all 'mentions' as 
 >>>>>>>> fact? 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> Why are you trying to minimise the seedy aspects of the issue? 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> I'm not. I'm trying to explain that if people want to protest 
 >>>>>> about violence against women there are far better ways than 
 >>>>>> terrorising some of the most terrorised people around. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> A lot of opinion-based assumptions masquerading as fact there. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Any slightly honest commentator would have to accept that the fact 
 >>>> that a resident of a migrant hostel has been charged with 
 >>>> assaulting a girl does not prove that the residents of such 
 >>>> hostels are any more of a threat to women and girls than any other 
 >>>> men living in Epping. 
 >>> 
 >>> So you seem to be saying that you know how many underage 
 >>> schoolgirls were touched up or were asked to have someone€s babies, 
 >>> in Epping, at around the time of the incident under discussion, by 
 >>> men who were not accommodated in hostels. Do tell, we€d like to 
 >>> know. 
 >> 
 >> You seem to be retreating to a mediaeval knowledge system in which 
 >> generalisations and statistics play no part. 
 > 
 > I€m waiting for you to come up with statistics to back up your claim 
 > about the relative threat level to women and girls in Epping, quoted 
 > above. We can then take the discussion forward. Until then, it€s just 
 > an unfounded assertion. 
  
 You may be disappointed because this seems like one of those untested 
 claims which falls apart when the underlying data it is based upon gets 
 revealed. 
  
 I am reminded of a similar situation in which the activist woke blob in 
 the Home Office released a report in 2020, which claimed child sexual 
 abuse offenders were disproportionately white. (Below) 
  
 It turns out this astonishing conclusion used carefully couched 
 misleading language and was based on misreading an earlier report 
 (below). There sexual abuse included "obscene publications" ... and not 
 all these had any sexual content at all but instead depicted extreme 
 violence. There were a large number of such offences (39% of the total) 
 and mostly by whites. However this is comparing apples and pears and is 
 irrelevant when wanting to understand rates of grooming, rape and 
 torture of young girls by gangs. 
  
 -- 
 REFS: 
  
 "Group-based Child Sexual Exploitation - Characteristics of Offending" 
 2020" 
  
  
  
  
  
 "Child sexual abuse in 2023-24 - Trends in official data" 2025 
  
  
  
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