From: roger@hayter.org 
  
 On 3 Sep 2025 at 22:31:58 BST, "Spike"  wrote: 
  
 > Roger Hayter  wrote: 
 >> On 3 Sep 2025 at 15:39:08 BST, "JNugent"  wrote: 
 >> 
 >>> On 02/09/2025 07:43 PM, RJH wrote: 
 >>>> On 2 Sep 2025 at 14:45:40 BST, Spike wrote: 
 >>>> 
 >>>>>>>> Women and girls face a far greater risk in their own homes and the 
 spaces they 
 >>>>>>>> share with their own family, and social and work networks. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> Do you seriously believe the Epping protesters don't know that? 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>>> This sounds very much like the disgraceful €€€It€€€s only a handful, 
 why does 
 >>>>>>> it matter?€€€ mantra. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>> It can sound however you want it to sound. Do you happen to know the 
 answer to 
 >>>>>> the question? 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> Do you? All you have done is made an irrelevant assertion about VAWG by 
 >>>>> trying to deflect the concerns expressed by the women and girls of 
 Epping 
 >>>>> regarding unwanted sexual advances in public places, by referring to 
 >>>>> violence expressed elsewhere. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Of course I know - as I suspect the hotel Epping lot know. Women and 
 girls 
 >>>> face a far greater risk in their own homes and the spaces they share 
 with 
 >>>> their own family, and social and work networks. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Which begs the question - why are they protesting outside hotels? 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> And waving a placard expressing their concerns doesn€€€t make them 
 Nazis 
 or 
 >>>>> racists, despite the best efforts of the bussed-in agitators. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>>> Women and girls should be safe on our streets, rather than touched up 
 and 
 >>>>>>> asked to make babies as had been mentioned in court in a recent case. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>> Two things. One, generalising from the particular. Do you do that 
 often? 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>> Second, 'mentioned in court'. Do you take all 'mentions' as fact? 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> Why are you trying to minimise the seedy aspects of the issue? 
 >>>> 
 >>>> I'm not. I'm trying to explain that if people want to protest about 
 violence 
 >>>> against women there are far better ways than terrorising some of the 
 most 
 >>>> terrorised people around. 
 >>> 
 >>> A lot of opinion-based assumptions masquerading as fact there. 
 >> 
 >> Any slightly honest commentator would have to accept that the fact that a 
 >> resident of a migrant hostel has been charged with assaulting a girl does 
 not 
 >> prove that the residents of such hostels are any more of a threat to women 
 and 
 >> girls than any other men living in Epping. 
 > 
 > So you seem to be saying that you know how many underage schoolgirls were 
 > touched up or were asked to have someone€€€s babies, in Epping, at around 
 the 
 > time of the incident under discussion, by men who were not accommodated in 
 > hostels. Do tell, we€€€d like to know. 
  
 You seem to be retreating to a mediaeval knowledge system in which 
 generalisations and statistics play no part. 
  
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