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 On Wed, 5 Nov 2025 13:54:13 +0000, Max Demian  
 wrote: 
  
 >On 05/11/2025 09:16, The Todal wrote: 
 >> On 05/11/2025 07:15, Martin Harran wrote: 
 > 
 >>> People are generally more forgiving than you seem to think. If Andrew 
 >>> had admitted to being a total prick (no pun intended) and expressed 
 >>> regret for what he did, I think there would have been a lot less 
 >>> mob-rule. The real start of his downfall wasn't Virginia Giuffre's 
 >>> accusations, it was his disastrous Newsnight interview. 
 > 
 >Sounds a bit hair shirt to me. 
 > 
 >> There was a Panorama programme last night, worth watching on catch-up. 
 >> It contained an interview with Virginia Giuffre from 2019 which was 
 >> widely shown at that time. 
 >> 
 >> She claims that Andrew abused her - implying that he was in some way 
 >> brutal or sexually deviant, and of course her interviewer didn't think 
 >> it polite to question her. 
 >> 
 >> In her now-released autobiography her story is rather different. Plain, 
 >> quick, vanilla sex three times, some foot-sucking by him (maybe Andrew 
 >> learned that from Fergie), hardly worth mentioning in the context of the 
 >> violent abuse from her own father, a family friend, Epstein and other 
 >> rich millionnaires. 
 >> 
 >> She is/was dishonest, and has been hugely over-compensated by a badly- 
 >> advised Royal Family who presumably hoped to shut her up with plenty of 
 >> cash. That, if you like, was immoral behaviour by the Queen. 
 > 
 >I wonder what it would take for Giuffre to be required to refund Andrew? 
 > 
 >"Prince Andrew was widely considered to be Queen Elizabeth II's favorite 
 >child, a belief held by many royal observers and even stated by sources 
 >close to the family. This perception was partly due to his time as a 
 >'golden boy' after serving in the Falklands War and the Queen reportedly 
 >showing him favoritism in a way that she did not with her other 
 >children." - but that's just Google's AI summary. 
 > 
 >Maybe this is why the King had to wait for her mother's death to trash 
 >him and his livelihood. 
  
 I don't think he needed the King to trash him, he seemed perfectly 
 capable of doing it himself. 
  
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