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 From: JNugent73@mail.com 
  
 On 05/11/2025 12:43 pm, Martin Harran wrote: 
  
 > The Todal  wrote: 
 >> On 05/11/2025 07:04, Martin Harran wrote: 
 >>> JNugent  wrote: 
 >>>> Martin Harran wrote: 
 >>>>> JNugent  wrote: 
 >>>>>> Martin Harran wrote: 
 >>>>>>> The Todal  wrote: 
 >> 
 >>>>>>> [...] 
 >> 
 >>>>>>>> what was Andrew's especially heinous action? Seemingly, continuing 
 his 
 >>>>>>>> friendship with a convicted sex predator. 
 >> 
 >>>>>>> *continuing* seems the most significant part of this. 
 >> 
 >>>>>> I don't see why any of us should cast off friends who fall foul either 
 >>>>>> of the law or of public opinion. 
 >> 
 >>>>> As a Christian, I certainly believe in forgiving those who do wrong 
 >>>>> provided that they face up to their wrongs and commit themselves to 
 >>>>> stopping the behaviour. Feel free to point out where Epstein showed 
 >>>>> any of that. 
 >> 
 >>>> Who said anything about forgiveness? 
 >>>> It's about friendship and compassion. Forgiveness lies right outside 
 those. 
 >> 
 >>> On what basis do you think Andrew's continuing relationship with 
 >>> Epstein was about friendship and compassion? 
 >> 
 >> Andrew and Fergie probably had in mind gratitude for favours previously 
 >> rendered, maybe hope that the good times might continue one day. I think 
 >> they would have done well to have taken advice from public relations 
 >> consultants. This wasn't just yet another billionnaire chum being fined 
 >> for tax evasion. 
 >> 
 >>>> Is friendship a purely transactional arrangement for you? 
 >>>> What if it were your brother? 
 >>>> Would it still be "Never darken my door again; you are dead to me"? 
 >>>> Would Christ have done that, d'you think? 
 >>>> "Let he who is without sin...". 
 >> 
 >>> Yet again I am amused at how people who have no regard for the Bible 
 >>> seem to think they are expert on it. 
 >> 
 >> I am amused at how well known words and phrases from the Bible 
 >> inevitably have very different meanings depending on whether the speaker 
 >> is a priest or a mere peasant. 
 > 
 > Those who take the Bible seriously generally don't base their 
 > understanding on selective quotes. 
  
 *All* quotations are selective. It's the definition of a quotation. 
  
 And perhaps you could explain how "Let him who is without sin..." is not 
 a very relevant quotation to support the argument against your proposal 
 that people who have been arrested tried and convicted should be 
 permanently treated as pariahs, without a friend or family member to 
 rely on, for the rest of their lives. 
  
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