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 On 05/11/2025 09:16, The Todal wrote: 
 > On 05/11/2025 07:15, Martin Harran wrote: 
  
 >> People are generally more forgiving than you seem to think. If Andrew 
 >> had admitted to being a total prick (no pun intended) and expressed 
 >> regret for what he did, I think there would have been a lot less 
 >> mob-rule. The real start of his downfall wasn't Virginia Giuffre's 
 >> accusations, it was his disastrous Newsnight interview. 
  
 Sounds a bit hair shirt to me. 
  
 > There was a Panorama programme last night, worth watching on catch-up. 
 > It contained an interview with Virginia Giuffre from 2019 which was 
 > widely shown at that time. 
 > 
 > She claims that Andrew abused her - implying that he was in some way 
 > brutal or sexually deviant, and of course her interviewer didn't think 
 > it polite to question her. 
 > 
 > In her now-released autobiography her story is rather different. Plain, 
 > quick, vanilla sex three times, some foot-sucking by him (maybe Andrew 
 > learned that from Fergie), hardly worth mentioning in the context of the 
 > violent abuse from her own father, a family friend, Epstein and other 
 > rich millionnaires. 
 > 
 > She is/was dishonest, and has been hugely over-compensated by a badly- 
 > advised Royal Family who presumably hoped to shut her up with plenty of 
 > cash. That, if you like, was immoral behaviour by the Queen. 
  
 I wonder what it would take for Giuffre to be required to refund Andrew? 
  
 "Prince Andrew was widely considered to be Queen Elizabeth II's favorite 
 child, a belief held by many royal observers and even stated by sources 
 close to the family. This perception was partly due to his time as a 
 'golden boy' after serving in the Falklands War and the Queen reportedly 
 showing him favoritism in a way that she did not with her other 
 children." - but that's just Google's AI summary. 
  
 Maybe this is why the King had to wait for her mother's death to trash 
 him and his livelihood. 
  
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