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 On 04/11/2025 11:00 am, Pamela wrote: 
 > On 17:37  3 Nov 2025, JNugent said: 
 >> On 03/11/2025 04:49 pm, Roger Hayter wrote: 
 >>> On 3 Nov 2025 at 16:20:34 GMT, "Jethro_uk" 
 >>>  wrote: 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> A lot of people fail to realise that criminal damage does not 
 >>>> require a de minimis and also does not need any physical evidence 
 >>>> to be apparent. 
 >>> 
 >>>> As folks putting bin bags over speed cameras discovered to their 
 >>>> liberty. 
 >>> 
 >>> On the other hand, criminal damage below a certain figure 
 >>> (?10,000GBP) is treated differently and is a much less serious 
 >>> offence. And can only be tried summarily. 
 >> 
 >> "much less serious"? 
 >> 
 >> Which Section of the relevant Act contains those words? 
 >> 
 >> Or are they just your view? 
 >> 
 >> Here's the law's view (as relayed via CoPilot): 
 >> 
 >> QUOTE: 
 >> Under the Criminal Damage Act 1971 in England and Wales, if the value 
 >> of the damage is Ł5,000 or less, the offence is generally triable 
 >> only summarily (i.e., in the Magistrates’ Court). 
 >> 
 >> This threshold applies to standard criminal damage offences not 
 >> involving fire and not racially or religiously aggravated. Here's a 
 >> breakdown: 
 >> 
 >> Summary vs. Either-Way Trial: 
 >> - Damage ? Ł5,000: Triable only summarily (Magistrates’ Court), 
 >> with a maximum penalty of a Level 4 fine and/or 3 months’ custody. 
 >> 
 >> - Damage > Ł5,000: Triable either way (Magistrates’ or Crown 
 >> Court), with a maximum of 10 years’ custody if convicted on 
 > indictment. 
 >> 
 >> Exceptions: 
 >> 
 >> Even if the damage is under Ł5,000, the offence may still be triable 
 >> in the Crown Court if: 
 >> - It is racially or religiously aggravated (triable either way, max 
 >> 14 years). 
 >> - It involves damage to a memorial (as defined in s.22 of the 
 >>     Magistrates’ Courts Act 1980), in which case the maximum 
 >>     sentence is 10 years regardless of value. 
 >> ENDQUOTE 
 > 
 > Apart from considerations of criminal damage, isn't the JSO Stonehenge 
 > incident covered by "Intentionally or recklessly causing public 
 > nuisance" as defined here: 
 > 
 >     Section 78 of Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022: 
 >     https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2022/32/section/78 
  
 Even better. 
  
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