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 On 05/11/2025 09:31 am, The Todal wrote: 
 > On 05/11/2025 09:02, Norman Wells wrote: 
 >> The Todal  Wrote in message:r 
 >>> On 04/11/2025 16:30, Norman Wells wrote:> The Todal 
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 >>>>    > He is experiencing very public disgrace and being virtually> 
 >>>> ostracised by his family. Obviously he will feel shame. Wouldn't  you? 
 >> 
 >>>> For what exactly?  Why do you seem so reluctant to be specific? 
 >> 
 >>> I think this may be a question of semantics.If you were stripped 
 >>> naked, placed in the stocks in your town and everyone came to jeer at 
 >>> you and throw rotten vegetables at you, I think what you would be 
 >>> experiencing would be "shame". What other word can you think would be 
 >>> more appropriate? Or has your imagination failed you? 
 >> 
 >> It rather depends on whether I'd done anything illegal.  If not, 
 >>   I'd be angry and resentful.  As I think anyone would. 
 >> 
 >> Do please say specifically what he is supposed to have done that 
 >>   warrants the supposedly shameful punishment that has been meted 
 >>   out to him.  Don't be shy any more. 
 > 
 > And again, I think you are looking through the wrong end of the telescope. 
 > 
 > Shame is what a person experiences when they are humiliated by the world 
 > - even if that humiliation is undeserved, as I believe Andrew's probably 
 > is.  Thus, the postmasters convicted of theft from the post office felt 
 > shame and public humiliation even though they knew they had done nothing 
 > wrong. 
 > 
 > In the rather disgraceful Panorama programme last night, only one good 
 > friend of Andrew's, Lady Victoria Hervey, courageously spoke up for him 
 > in an interview. A series of other well known faces including the awful 
 > Dame Margaret Hodge told us that Andrew was in their opinion rude, vain, 
 > extravagant, stupid, fully deserving of his fate. Panorama was a 
 > hatchet-job to reassure us that Andrew deserves his humiliation and that 
 > in the whole world he only has one friend, the supposedly gullible Lady 
 > Victoria. 
  
 Thank you for that - I shall try to catch that programme later today. 
  
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