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 On 05/11/2025 07:07, Martin Harran wrote: 
 > On Tue, 4 Nov 2025 19:12:07 +0000, The Todal  
 > wrote: 
 > 
 >> On 04/11/2025 16:08, Martin Harran wrote: 
 >>> On Tue, 4 Nov 2025 13:41:32 +0000, JNugent  wrote: 
 >>> 
 >>>> On 04/11/2025 10:40 am, Martin Harran wrote: 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> The Todal  
 >>>>> wrote: 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> [...] 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>> what was Andrew's especially heinous action? Seemingly, continuing his 
 >>>>>> friendship with a convicted sex predator. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> *continuing* seems the most significant part of this. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> I don't see why any of us should cast off friends who fall foul either 
 >>>> of the law or of public opinion. 
 >>>> 
 >>> 
 >>> As a Christian, I certainly believe in forgiving those who do wrong 
 >>> provided that they face up to their wrongs and commit themselves to 
 >>> stopping the behaviour. Feel free to point out where Epstein showed 
 >>> any of that. 
 >>> 
 >>>> At such times, they may need friends more than ever. 
 >>> 
 >> 
 >> I suppose a valid comparison would be Lord Longford and his support for 
 >> Myra Hindley, which made him very unpopular. He believed she was capable 
 >> of repentance and redemption, prayed with her, regularly campaigned for 
 >> her to be released - and Andrew never went that far in his "support" of 
 >> Epstein. I should think Hindley committed herself to stopping her 
 >> behaviour, ie to stop kidnapping children from the streets to be abused 
 >> by her or her partner. Was there ever anything that she could have said 
 >> to get public support for her release from prison? 
 > 
 > 
 > Whether or not you agree with Longford, it was always abundantly clear 
 > that his relationship with Hindley was based on Christian compassion 
 > and a desire to rehabilitate Hindley - there was never any question of 
 > personal gain benefit for him. Have you any evidence that the same 
 > applies to Andrew? 
 > 
  
 I admire Longford for defying the tabloids and doing what he believed 
 was morally right and consistent with his Christian beliefs. And my 
 admiration for him is partly because our Home Secretaries bowed to the 
 demands of the tabloid press and ordered that Hindley remain in prison 
 without hope of parole even though the trial judge was more compassionate. 
  
 I think for most ordinary people, friendship means supporting each other 
 in times of trouble. It is said that after Lord Lucan murdered his nanny 
 his friends rallied round and may have facilitated his escape. I don't 
 suppose they did so on a purely mercenary basis. Maggie Thatcher was 
 loyal to the brutal General Pinochet. Quote. While he was under house 
 arrest in Surrey in 1999, the former Chilean military dictator Augusto 
 Pinochet received a fine malt from an old friend. “Scotch is one British 
 institution that will never let you down,” read the accompanying note 
 from its sender: the former British prime minister Margaret Thatcher. 
  
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