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 On Mon, 3 Nov 2025 11:49:10 +0000, The Todal  
 wrote: 
  
 >On 03/11/2025 06:18, Norman Wells wrote: 
  
  
 [...] 
  
 >He is experiencing very public disgrace and being virtually ostracised 
 >by his family. 
 > 
 >Obviously he will feel shame. Wouldn't you? He knows, and any friends of 
 >his will know, that there is absolutely nothing he can now say to make 
 >his situation any better. He may have said it in private to his family, 
 >but imagine if you can what the reaction would be if he issued a 
 >statement saying: "I did have sexual relations with That Woman. I was 
 >sure at the time that she was willing and keen to have sex, and I was 
 >sure that she was not underage in the laws of the particular US State 
 >where this happened". 
 > 
 >I think it would invite even more ridicule. 
  
 People are generally more forgiving than you seem to think. If Andrew 
 had admitted to being a total prick (no pun intended) and expressed 
 regret for what he did, I think there would have been a lot less 
 mob-rule. The real start of his downfall wasn't Virginia Giuffre's 
 accusations, it was his disastrous Newsnight interview. 
  
 > 
 >Or perhaps "I admit that after Epstein was convicted I did reach out to 
 >him in friendship. That's what is commonly done in the circles that I 
 >mixed with. I didn't encourage any law breaking on his part at any time 
 >and I now see that reaching out to him was the wrong thing to do. I 
 >never had the sort of public relations team that Presidents and Prime 
 >Minister and Kings have access to". 
  
 Ditto 
  
 > 
 > 
 >> 
 >> He comes from a generation that has some resilience.  And there's 
 >> something to be said for that. 
 >> 
 >> Anyway, he will still be living what anyone else would regard as a 
 >> highly privileged and comfortable lifestyle, paid for of course by 
 >> someone else. 
 >> 
 >>> I expect that his life will revolve primarily around TV, food, alcohol 
 >>> and 
 >>> possibly other substances. All of which will take their toll. It would 
 >>> not 
 >>> be at all surprising to hear that his health is deteriorating. 
 >> 
 >> Wine, women and song used to be the mantra.  I expect it will apply to 
 >> Andrew too.  It's what he wants and will easily be able to afford. 
 >> 
 >> Anyone who thinks he's deprived needs their head examining. 
 >> 
 >> 
 > 
 >Do you think Andrew does need his head examining?  Is "deprived" really 
 >the same as "suicidal"? 
  
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