From: Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com 
  
 On 8/12/25 11:02, billy bookcase wrote: 
  
  
 > Israel didn't even exist in 1934, or 1942. 
 > 
 > It was only founded in 1948. 
 > 
  
 > Up until that point unlike any other group of people on Earth, however 
 defined, 
 > they never had  a country they could call their own. 
 > 
  
 That isn't true, many communities have been displaced. You keep evoking 
 a message of Jewish uniqueness, which is unjustified. There is just a 
 double standard. The MSM, repeat stories of Jewish suffering in a loop. 
 If someone else challenges this message or tries to highlight another 
 group's suffering, the MSM pillory them with claims they are trying to 
 create a hierarchy of racism. The truth is the MSM have nothing against 
 a hierarchy, they just insist that Jewish suffering must be at the top. 
  
 > When even African Slaves transported to the US could, after sufficient 
 > research cite ancient West African countries as their home. Countries which 
 > still existed in some shape or form. 
 > 
 > As to nationalism based on racist ideology its gratifying to see that 
 > at last you're welcoming the boat people to Britain. 
 > 
 > No Lebensraum..for us ! All are welcome ! 
 > 
  
 Lebensraum is more than just living space, it includes expansion, 
 annexation of neighbouring territories and ethnic cleansing, racist 
 nationalism. 
  
 >> 
 >> 
 >>>> A negative comparison, like the Nazi comparison, is often used in the 
 >>>> sense of a cautionary tale. What might happen, rather than what 
 >>>> already is. 
 >>> 
 >>> Ok, but there are obvious reasons why comparing the actions of the 
 >>> Jewish nation to those of the Nazis brings up specific sensitivities. 
 >>> You'd need a much better justification than "but maybe they might do 
 >>> something in the future" for it not to be utterly unreasonable and, 
 >>> well, quite plausibly antisemitic. 
 >>> 
 >> 
 >> Lots of people were affected by the Nazis. President Putin's brother 
 starved to death. 
 >> 
 >> If the Jewish community wanted to be protected from Nazi comparisons, they 
 should 
 >> extend this courtesy to other communities, but they don't. 
 > 
 > Except that while they were charged with "War Crimes", the Holocaust had 
 nothing 
 > to do with "War" at all. Whether it was murdering large numbers of Jews or 
 a 
 > much smaller number of Gypsies ,the handicapped Gays etc 
 > 
 > The Communists represented a "political" threat which is entirely different 
 > 
 > It was solely the product of "Hate". And nothing else. And started as soon 
 as the 
 > Nazis got into power. 
 > 
 > Putin's brother like a lot of others simply found themselves temporarily on 
 the 
 > wrong side, in a "war". 
 > 
  
 Another common tactic of a double standard is to ignore or disqualify 
 other people's suffering on some pretext. Putin's family suffered at the 
 hands of the Nazis. His connection is far more direct than that of 
 Netanyahu, or the vast majority of Israeli Jews. Yet Putin is accused of 
 being a Nazi, and Russia is threatened with German missiles. 
  
  
 >> 
 >> My family was affected, should I inherit their suffering? My uncle ended 
 the WW2 
 >> starving, dying of thirst. He would almost certainly have died if the war 
 had continued 
 >> a few days more. Politically, he supported Tony Blair's invasion of Iraq. 
 How can I 
 >> invoke my relationship to him in support my very different political view 
 point? I 
 >> don't inherit his worthiness or victimhood any more than I inherited his 
 political 
 >> views. 
 > 
 > Lucky old you him ! Is that really the best you can do ? I lost an uncle in 
 > WW2 and a grandad  in WW1 so obviously I'll never know what their 
 > attitude would have been, to anything. 
 > 
 > Grandad was a Territorial, presumably for the extra bit of cash; who'd 
 > already served in the "South African War" as it was called, possibly 
 > burning down farms. Who's to know ? Bertie was killed in Burma 
 > protecting the interests of various UK Rubber and Oil companies from 
 > the Japanese.. So what ? 
 > 
 > None of which has any possible relevance to Israel 
 > 
  
 Yes, many people in the UK suffered. I gave my case as a counter-example 
 as to why we should not claim advantage or a right due to the suffering 
 of relatives. In the UK, we don't claim it, why should Israel claim it? 
  
 > 
 >> The idea that the Jewish community should be protected and other 
 historical 
 victims 
 >> should not is a double standard, a racist argument. 
 > 
 > No it isn't. 
 > 
 > Anyway down to the beach, with those sandwiches. That sea air probably 
 > gives those poor boat people a real appetite ! 
 > 
  
 I was at the beach, yesterday. It was delightful. 
  
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