From: roger@hayter.org 
  
 On 12 Aug 2025 at 16:35:17 BST, "JNugent"  wrote: 
  
 > On 12/08/2025 10:34 AM, Norman Wells wrote: 
 >> On 12/08/2025 08:27, Jeff Gaines wrote: 
 >>> On 12/08/2025 in message  Norman 
 >>> Wells wrote: 
 >>> 
 >>>> On 12/08/2025 00:52, Roger Hayter wrote: 
 >>>>> On 11 Aug 2025 at 22:57:38 BST, ""Jeff Gaines"" 
 >>>>>  wrote: 
 >>>> 
 >>>>>> My original point was simple, there was a news article saying that 
 >>>>>> government was planning to put together legislation in respect of 
 >>>>>> Islamaphobia and I asked why not have general legislation against all 
 >>>>>> forms of race/religious hate instead of coming up with legislation 
 >>>>>> after 
 >>>>>> the event each time. 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> That question has not really been answered. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> Ok, let me ask a counter-question; seeing we already have generic 
 >>>>> anti-discrimination legislation which may be insufficient to protect 
 >>>>> some particularly vulnerable groups, why not bring in specific 
 >>>>> legislation to deal with practical problems those groups are having 
 >>>>> now? It's not going to harm people who don't currently suffer much 
 >>>>> if any discrimination. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Because that would in itself be discriminatory.  It places some in a 
 >>>> more privileged position than others. 
 >>> 
 >>> And I believe the current situation does that to at least some extent, 
 >>> there is no reason not to treat everybody the same. 
 >> 
 >> The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, to which the UK is a 
 >> signatory, provides in Article 7: 
 >> 
 >> "All are equal before the law and are entitled without any 
 >> discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal 
 >> protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration 
 >> and against any incitement to such discrimination." 
 > 
 > Does that word "all" mean everybody on the entire planet, irrespective 
 > of their intentions towards one and one's country? 
 > 
 > Or does it mean "all who are lawfully within the jurisdiction"? 
  
 It means all who are within the jurisdiction. Of course, if someone is 
 illegally here they lose the right to not be arrested for being here 
 illegally, but they don't lose other human rights automatically. Just as if 
 they commit any crime. 
  
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