From: JNugent73@mail.com 
  
 On 02/08/2025 02:38 PM, Fredxx wrote: 
 > On 29/07/2025 18:06, JNugent wrote: 
 >> On 29/07/2025 11:29 AM, kat wrote: 
 >>> On 28/07/2025 17:55, The Todal wrote: 
 >>>> On 28/07/2025 11:33, kat wrote: 
 >>>>> On 28/07/2025 08:23, Martin Harran wrote: 
 >>>>>> On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 00:21:53 +0100, JNugent  
 >>>>>> wrote: 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> On 27/07/2025 05:25 PM, The Todal wrote: 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> On 27/07/2025 14:41, JNugent wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>> On 27/07/2025 01:00 PM, The Todal wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>>> On 27/07/2025 11:40, JNugent wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>>>> On 27/07/2025 09:51 AM, The Todal wrote: 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>> [ ... ] 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> Why are we expected to believe that in all Jewish schools or 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> Shuls or 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> gatherings, the Jews are scrupulously respectful towards the 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> "Arabs" or Palestinians, and to suggest otherwise is a "blood 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> libel"? 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>> Did you go to a Jewish school? 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>> No 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> OK. 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>> If you did, what was your own experience there? 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>> What has that to do with it? Everyone who went to school in the 
 >>>>>>>>>> 1960s 
 >>>>>>>>>> can cite bigoted comments and poor teaching methods from some of 
 >>>>>>>>>> the 
 >>>>>>>>>> people there.  Even at our finest public schools. 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> Not from teachers teaching the curriculum in Catholic schools. 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> Maybe you are much younger that I supposed. Maybe in your time 
 >>>>>>>> there was 
 >>>>>>>> a curriculum imposed upon all schools, all teachers, from the 
 >>>>>>>> education 
 >>>>>>>> authority or, who knows, maybe from the Vatican. 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> No, there wasn't such a national curriculum imposed by Parliament, 
 >>>>>>> which 
 >>>>>>> must be what you mean. I was a child of the 11+ and grammar schools 
 >>>>>>> era. 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> However, the Catholic Church has long been particular about what is 
 >>>>>>> taught for RE (which, as you know, even today, is not subject to 
 >>>>>>> Parliamentary control as to its content). 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> Maybe it was virtually unheard of for teachers to introduce 
 >>>>>>>> children to 
 >>>>>>>> ideas and beliefs that departed, to any extent, from the 
 >>>>>>>> "curriculum". 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> I don't it was "virtually unheard of". The art teacher at my grammar 
 >>>>>>> school was a noted lefty, supported every strike in the news and 
 >>>>>>> let us 
 >>>>>>> know as much. 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> Other teachers were more balanced in their presentation of their 
 >>>>>>> personal beliefs, except, as ever, the PE teacher, who could not 
 >>>>>>> understand - and did not want to understand - any pupil who didn't 
 >>>>>>> share 
 >>>>>>> his enthusiasm for sports. 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> And maybe now, in today's climate, you should try to find the good 
 >>>>>>>> manners to accept that some people who are perhaps older than 
 >>>>>>>> you can 
 >>>>>>>> recall to mind teachers and lessons that would not be acceptable 
 >>>>>>>> today. 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> "lessons"? 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> Are you, even now, sure that a teacher's comments - if delivered at 
 >>>>>>> all 
 >>>>>>> - always count as a lesson? 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> Did the art teacher's support for striking dockers count as a 
 >>>>>>> lesson in 
 >>>>>>> macroeconomics and sociology? 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> I don't know what age Todal is but I'm 74 and started my education in 
 >>>>>> 1956 at a Catholic convent where  I did P1 and P2 followed by 5 years 
 >>>>>> at a Catholic primary school; that was followed by 5 years (1963 
 >>>>>> -1968) at a Catholic grammar school* so I'd think that was fairly 
 >>>>>> contemporaneous with period he is referring to. Roughly half the 
 >>>>>> teachers at that grammar school were priests and I was taught RE by 
 >>>>>> various priests so over my years at school, I would say I was taught 
 >>>>>> RE by at least 10 or 11 different/teachers. 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> I am also 74, and spent my time in ordinary state schools in England, 
 >>>>> primary and then a Girl's Grammar school.   Some sort of RE was i 
 >>>>> vaguely recall supposed o be compulsory but i don't rememeber any at 
 >>>>> Infants and Juniors, other than morning assembly. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> At the Grammar school we did Scripture the first 3 years, the 
 >>>>> cathlics were there too, though they didn't attend assembly until it 
 >>>>> was time for announcements.  Come O levels we dropped Scripture ( the 
 >>>>> syllabus was "too narrow") and had some sort of RE and by 6th form 
  
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