From: jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu 
  
 On 2025-08-11, The Todal  wrote: 
 > On 10/08/2025 22:44, Jon Ribbens wrote: 
 >> On 2025-08-10, Pancho  wrote: 
 >>> A negative comparison, like the Nazi comparison, is often used in the 
 >>> sense of a cautionary tale. What might happen, rather than what 
 >>> already is. 
 >> 
 >> Ok, but there are obvious reasons why comparing the actions of the 
 >> Jewish nation to those of the Nazis brings up specific sensitivities. 
 >> You'd need a much better justification than "but maybe they might do 
 >> something in the future" for it not to be utterly unreasonable and, 
 >> well, quite plausibly antisemitic. 
 > 
 > I don't quite understand the point you are making. You say "specific 
 > sensitivities" meaning, perhaps, that to compare Israel with Nazi 
 > Germany is especially hurtful to all Israelis, maybe to all Jews. 
  
 I'm saying that comparing Jews, which therefore of course includes most 
 Israelis, to Nazis is inherently incredibly tactless due for the obvious 
 reason of the events of 1941-1945, and so it had better have some pretty 
 bloody good justification if it is done. e.g. Ken Livingstone comparing 
 a Jewish reporter to a concentration camp guard caused a great deal of 
 kerfuffle and for good reason. 
  
 > I think the specific sensitivities are what makes the comparison useful 
 > and justified. Obviously most Israelis cannot claim to be holocaust 
 > survivors but they do know from the history books that in the 1930s and 
 > 1940s Jewish people were persecuted by a regime that rode roughshod over 
 > the rights of Jewish citizens, confiscated their property, assaulted 
 > them and refused to give them police protection, smashed their shops, 
 > made them homeless. Exactly what the Israeli government is doing to the 
 > Palestinians, partly by supporting the Settlers. 
 > 
 > The ignorant will say that it can't be like the Nazis if there aren't 
 > concentration camps, gassings and crematoria. Actually, Israel is 
 > behaving like the Nazis even if it isn't adopting each and every Nazi 
 > policy. Israel hasn't invaded Poland, for instance. 
  
 Well, as I said, the situation has changed between 2016 and now, such 
 that perhaps when that document says a comparison can never be justified 
 it is now out of date. 
  
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