From: hex@unseen.ac.am 
  
 On 17/08/2025 12:38, GB wrote: 
 > On 16/08/2025 18:53, Norman Wells wrote: 
 >> On 16/08/2025 13:28, billy bookcase wrote: 
 >>> "Jethro_uk"  wrote in message 
 >>> news:107pp4i$1d7qn$32@dont-email.me... 
 >>>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 11:06:01 +0100, billy bookcase wrote: 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> "Jethro_uk"  wrote in message 
 >>>>> news:107pi8a$1d7qn$29@dont-email.me... 
 >>>>>> On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 20:29:18 +0100, billy bookcase wrote: 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> "The Todal"  wrote in message 
 >>>>>>> news:mg9b7tF2tvdU1@mid.individual.net... 
 >>>>>>>> [quoted text muted] 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> Neverthelees it does make you wonder about the quality of the advice 
 >>>>>>> she was given, if only by the duty solicitor. 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> I think the fact she had a history of making inflammatory postings 
 >>>>>> would have been highlighted to her as undermining a "moment of 
 >>>>>> madness" 
 >>>>>> defence. Whereas the acquitted ex councillor (presumably) either 
 >>>>>> had no 
 >>>>>> history, or was smarter in making sure he didn't leave a trail 
 >>>>>> similar 
 >>>>>> behaviour in his wake. 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> Also, despite the rhetoric, I suspect she knew that 12 people on a 
 >>>>>> jury 
 >>>>>> would not "back her". 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> She wouldn't need 12. Only 3 
 >>>> 
 >>>> For a mistrial ? 
 >>> 
 >>> Er yes. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> You are aware that failing to reach a verdict is not "Not guilty" ? 
 >>> 
 >>> Er yes. 
 >> 
 >> No, it's not a mistrial, which implies some substantial procedural 
 >> irregularity, but an inconclusive trial where the normal remedy is a 
 >> retrial before a fresh jury. 
 >>> It isn't "guilty" though either, is it ? 
 >> 
 >> No, it's neither. 
 >> 
 >> But it's worth saying that hung juries occur very infrequently in the 
 >> UK, my research showing in just 0.7% of cases in 2008, more recent 
 >> statistics not being available. 
 >> 
 >> Majority verdicts (at least 10-2)€€ occur in about 15% of cases. 
 > 
 > I found some different stats, showing (for a subset of the data): 
 > 
 > 2.3% hung juries.€€ On retrial, 0.4% found guilty, and 0.01% not guilty. 
  
 Those figures come from Table 10 and are to do just with cases where 
 Section 28 of The Youth Justice and Criminal Evidence Act 1999 (to do 
 with vulnerable witnesses) applies. 
  
 The figure I gave of 0.7% is also in that table under "All non s28 jury 
 verdicts 2016-22" which is rather more relevant. 
  
 Whatever, hung juries occur very infrequently. 
  
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