From: max_demian@bigfoot.com 
  
 On 09/08/2025 13:32, billy bookcase wrote: 
 > "Max Demian"  wrote in message 
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 >> On 08/08/2025 17:45, billy bookcase wrote: 
 >>> "Max Demian"  wrote in message 
 >>> news:1074t4b$no99$1@dont-email.me... 
 >>>> On 07/08/2025 21:24, billy bookcase wrote: 
 >>>>> "Jeff Gaines"  wrote in message 
 >>>>> news:xn0p99pwb94sjja00z@news.individual.net... 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>> If we do have that then what is the equivalent of antisemitism for 
 Arabs or Scots 
 >>>>>> or 
 >>>>>> Methodists? I think we are talking about race with antisemitism not 
 religion as I 
 >>>>>> mistakenly thought. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> People who just hate Jews aren't fussy. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> It really is as simple as that. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> There is unimpeachable historical evidence of people persecuting 
 >>>>> and latterly murdering large numbers of Jews going back over 
 >>>>> 1000 years. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> Unlike any other group of people. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> No, Jews are just "special", for some reason. 
 >>> 
 >>> Yes as I just said; they've been persecuted for at least the last 1000 
 years 
 >> 
 >> That's (mostly) ancient history, 
 > 
 > Apart from brushing aside the murder of 6 million Jews only 
 > 60 odd years ago, you've clearly never heard of the Russian 
 > Pogroms of the 19th and early 20th Century either 
 > 
 > Or why as a result, the East End of London was populated by so many 
 > Jewish people, that that's where Oswald Moseley chose to hold his 
 > aborted march 
 > 
 >>   and more than compensated by the murderous behaviour of the state 
 >> of Israel since it was created. 
 > 
 > There happens to be a bit of a difference between turning people 
 > into refugees; and pushing them into gas chambers. 
  
 OK. Shooting, starving, allowing "settlers" to kill them and take their 
 property without any penalty; demolishing their homes, imprisoning them 
 in the thousands... 
  
 >>>>    I can understand Germans with their "war guilt", but we've got noting 
 to 
 >>>> be ashamed of, 
 >>> 
 >>> So you're saying that Jews were never persecuted in Britain ? 
 >>> 
 >>> And that it wasn't a British Foreign Secretary, Arthur Balfour who 
 >>> issued a Statement on behalf of the British Government in 1917, 
 >>> announcing its support for the establishment of a "National Home 
 >>> for the Jewish people"in Palestine, 
 >>> 
 >>> Which is basically what helped kicked the whole thing off 30 years years 
 >>> later; when Britain was still administering Palestine 
 >> 
 >> Apparently Balfour was (to some extent) motivated by antisemitism and a 
 desire to 
 >> remove Jews from Britain, like (some) Germans before WW2. (Palestine was 
 one German 
 >> suggestion, together with Madagascar.) 
 > 
 > Well done. It's nice to see that at least some people are paying attention 
 > 
 > quote: 
 > 
 > "billy bookcase"  wrote in message news:106oe9 
 $1pkkg$1@dont-email.me... 
 >> 
 >> Many of whom have regarded Zionism as simply serving the interests of 
 >> Anti-Semites who merely wished to rid Europe of its Jews. A "First 
 Solution" 
 >> if you like. With the Balfour Declaration simply formalising that ambition 
 > 
 > :unquote 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 >>>    > unlike 
 >>>> Israelis/Zionists and their supporters/apologists in every synagogue 
 world wide. 
 >>> 
 >>> What exactly has any of that got to do with anti-semitism ? 
 >> 
 >> Rabbis could be asked whether they support the murder of Arabs. 
 > 
 > And what exactly has that got to do with anti-semitism ? 
 > 
 > As I suggested before, many Jews are not even practising and so 
 > may never have talked to a Rabbi. 
 > 
 > hint: because the first thing the Rabbi would ask them, is why they 
 > no longer attended the Synagogue 
 > 
 > And as I also said, Anti-Semites just aren't fussy. They hate all Jews; 
 > regardless of whether they know any Rabbis or not. 
 > 
 > Same with the Nazis. It was your grandparents that counted as to whether 
 > you ended up being gassed or not. Not whether you knew any Rabbis. 
 > 
 >> 
 >>> And the fact that Jews have been persecuted  for over the last 1000 
 years ? 
 >> 
 >> History, as I noted above. 
 >> 
 >>> And an easy target in their role as being Gods Chosen People for every 
 >>> Country or individual who simply can't face up to the fact that they've 
 >>> been abject failures in life*; and so are thrashing around for somebody 
 >>> else to blame. 
 >>> 
 >>> In a word Anti-Semites 
 > 
 >> I think it would be better if the word "antisemitism" was removed from the 
 English 
 >> language. (It's never been clear whether it's based on race, religion or 
 whatever.) 
 > 
 > What isn't very clear, is why this is so important to you, personally 
 > 
 > As it clearly is. 
 > 
 > Because you can rest assured, that anti-semites themselves, are actually 
 > "proud" to be called anti-semites. And they'll go on calling themselves 
 > anti semites and spraying their swastikas on Jewish graves regardless 
 > of what you might think or say. 
 > 
 > And they don't care whether their hatred is based on race or religion 
 > or "whatever", either 
  
 If antisemitism were abolished, there would be no more anti-semites. 
  
 >> Maybe people wouldn't be so keen to claim Jewishness. 
 > 
 > While on the other hand, maybe other people shouldn't be so keen to 
 > demonstrate all sorts of other things, either. 
 -- 
 Max Demian 
  
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