From: JNugent73@mail.com 
  
 On 13/08/2025 08:37 AM, Norman Wells wrote: 
 > On 12/08/2025 16:35, JNugent wrote: 
 >> On 12/08/2025 10:34 AM, Norman Wells wrote: 
 >>> On 12/08/2025 08:27, Jeff Gaines wrote: 
 >>>> On 12/08/2025 in message  Norman 
 >>>> Wells wrote: 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> On 12/08/2025 00:52, Roger Hayter wrote: 
 >>>>>> On 11 Aug 2025 at 22:57:38 BST, ""Jeff Gaines"" 
 >>>>>>  wrote: 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>>> My original point was simple, there was a news article saying that 
 >>>>>>> government was planning to put together legislation in respect of 
 >>>>>>> Islamaphobia and I asked why not have general legislation against 
 >>>>>>> all 
 >>>>>>> forms of race/religious hate instead of coming up with legislation 
 >>>>>>> after 
 >>>>>>> the event each time. 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> That question has not really been answered. 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> Ok, let me ask a counter-question; seeing we already have generic 
 >>>>>> anti-discrimination legislation which may be insufficient to protect 
 >>>>>> some particularly vulnerable groups, why not bring in specific 
 >>>>>> legislation to deal with practical problems those groups are having 
 >>>>>> now? It's not going to harm people who don't currently suffer much 
 >>>>>> if any discrimination. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> Because that would in itself be discriminatory.  It places some in a 
 >>>>> more privileged position than others. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> And I believe the current situation does that to at least some extent, 
 >>>> there is no reason not to treat everybody the same. 
 >>> 
 >>> The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, to which the UK is a 
 >>> signatory, provides in Article 7: 
 >>> 
 >>> "All are equal before the law and are entitled without any 
 >>> discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal 
 >>> protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration 
 >>> and against any incitement to such discrimination." 
 >> 
 >> Does that word "all" mean everybody on the entire planet, irrespective 
 >> of their intentions towards one and one's country? 
 >> 
 >> Or does it mean "all who are lawfully within the jurisdiction"? 
 > 
 > It means everyone in any country which is a signatory to the Universal 
 > Declaration of Human Rights. 
 > 
 > That includes everyone in the UK. 
  
 It is hard to accept that non-citizens have the same rights as citizens. 
  
 Non-citizens may be deported (not much chance of that in the UK, but you 
 know what I mean). OTOH, citizens may not be deported. 
  
 Is that discrimination against non-citizens? 
  
 Or does every single person on the planet have the right to come to the 
 UK, be allowed to stay and generally be treated as though they are citizens? 
  
 --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05 
  * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)