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  Msg # 12427 of 12811 on ZZUK4448, Saturday 8-01-25, 1:45  
  From: ROGER HAYTER  
  To: ALL  
  Subj: Re: Definitive maps  
 From: roger@hayter.org 
  
 On 1 Aug 2025 at 15:27:26 BST, "Jon Ribbens"  
 wrote: 
  
 > On 2025-08-01, Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote: 
 >> On 31/07/2025 18:34, Roland Perry wrote: 
 >>> In message , at 13:36:35 on Thu, 31 
 >>> Jul 2025, Kempshott  remarked: 
 >>>> Does a Local Authority have a statutory duty to keep its online 
 >>>> definitive map up to date? 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Ours still says "last update March 2021" and there have been many 
 >>>> Modification Orders passed since then. 
 >>> 
 >>> I bet there's a lot of pre-2021 changes not on it either. I've had cause 
 >>> to look at these maps in the past, and they are often woefully out of 
 date. 
 >> 
 >> It is pot luck what is and what is not included on the definitive maps. 
 >> 
 >> I suspect form the name that they are supposed to be maintained but if 
 >> you know an area well it isn't hard to find recent changes that are 
 >> missing. Updating them doesn't seem to be a high priority. 
 > 
 > There's either two possibilities, and I think the answer could be either 
 > depending on which local authority it is. 
 > 
 > Either it isn't "the Definitive Map" at all, it's just an online map, 
 > in which case I would expect there's no statutory duty to update it. 
 > It might claim to reflect information from the Definitive Map, but 
 > that doesn't make it definitive itself. 
 > 
 > Or, it is "the Definitive Map", in which case it is, er, definitive. 
 > If it shows a right of way exists, then it does, and if it doesn't, 
 > it doesn't. If they haven't updated it to show rights of way that 
 > the council intended to create, then they haven't created them. 
  
 I agree that this is the apparent legal situation. But it may be that a 
 third 
 possibility exists: that the 'definitive map' actually exists in a state 
 which 
 entails an old map and a set of approved amendments to it which together 
 constitutes the 'definitive map'. It is not impossible that a court would 
 accept this as the least worst interpretation. 
  
  
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